. >> paul penzone, let's talk about what padilla just said. paul penzone joining us out of phoenix, director of prevention program childhelp.org, former sergeant with the phoenix pd. paul, i think even if you were stoned out of your brain that night you still would be telling the truth this many months later on a polygraph test when you say "i don't remember. i did the laundry-i went to sleep, she was lying four feet away from me." i don't think that being high as a kite the night of the incident would prevent her from passing a polygraph this many months later. >> you're absolutely correct because it's about telling the truth, not so much her ability to remember every detail. as you know, i was a narcotics detective for many years and i've interviewed hundreds if not thousands of people. she lacks any remorse, any conflict whatsoever in what occurred because she's hiding something for herself still. >> they got me where they want me because that's what they did. i didn't go out doing that, you know? >> you just fell into the game. ronald and

to paul pensown, former sergeant phoenix police, director of provincial programs at childhelp.org. penzonewhat do you make of it? >> if this is true it's pronl going to be a free-for-all. him saying he was was afraid, him saying he was directed there's going to be a lot of working parts. i have to say nancy give credit to your show for keeping pressure on this case all this time because it was influential in the breaking point now. >> penzone. penzone. let's just get real for a minute. >> yes, ma'am. >> how many times have at trial -- and i would love to try co-defendants together. put them all in the same pot in front of a jury and let them stew. they all start doing this. oh, yeah, he held a gun at me. oh, yeah, he put a knife to my throat. they let the girl get taken. the girl is dead. i don't believe one thing they're saying about how they were threatened. they're so threatened. they weren't threatened. >> they were all responsible. if this turns out to be true. and each one of them could have made a difference. regardless of who was responsible to take that baby's life-f that's what h