how that led to the events that would eventually become paul refeer's ride. took him to -- revere's ride. and i took him to old north church. and i took him to lexington. and he was amazed. and his comment after we traveled through this three-hour odyssey through bostoning was, "so your revolution took almost 15 years. and we're on year three. give us some time." that's why i remain hopeful. that's why i think the people who believe that change is inevitable in egypt understand it is going to take time. i think it is incumbent upon us in the united states where we have had such a dramatic role in the middle east, both for our own use of its oil, for our own implementation of different military aid that has propped up a lot of regimes that didn't believe in democracy, while we spoke in such lofty terms about democracy. i think we all owe it to pay a lot closer attention now to the voices of people like mohammed abbas. thank you. and you are a gentleman. thank you. >> i am the moderator of the richmond, new jersey discussions. first question -- very simple ques