where is this gulf coming from and the passionate disapproval from so many veterans like paul rieckhoff who's on our air right now? why weren't the siv recipients or applicants aided in cutting through some of that red tape? >> so, first of all, the siv program which has existed for many years was not designed for a mass evacuation, that's just the truth. it was a bipartisan bill in congress that was designed with a series of gates that each applicant had to pass through. you know how long the average time was for someone to pass through those gates? not because of joe biden but because of the nature of this legislation. 18 to 24 months per visa application, some took years. when president biden took office, he inherited a backlog of thousands of these visa applications and he did cut through the red tape in a massive way. he slashed the amount of time to process these visas. in july he actually began an airlift of siv applicants out of afghanistan and to the united states. now, it is true that he didn't conduct a 120,000-person evacuation in july, but he judged at the time that doing s

. >> matt, our friend paul rieckhoff tweeted a couple of hours ago 6,000 troops is not adequate to do what you just described, which is still hopefully the mission of the administration, tell me what it looks like if adequately staffed and funded? >> i have been saying we need to send the entire 82nd airborne. we probably need to send the second marine expeditionary force, two units we keep on 24-hour recall. we should retake every airfield we just gave up. it sounds ridiculous and is not feasible, but these are our people. we made these people a promise. the taliban are now actively killing them, and if we don't take them they're going to die. that's the thing is we have the means to do this. we have just simply lacked this entire time the conviction to do the right thing. i'm not going to sit and list eastbound to a president that i voted for, i was happy this man took office. i'm now appalled at that speech. i'm not going to sit here and have him lie to the american people. we did not plan as a government for this contingency. the american people, the advocates who have been pleadi

joining us, paul rieckhoff, now the host of the independent american's podcast. jeremy butler is back with us. paul rieckhoff, say something. just reading that makes me lose it. how are you doing today? >> i'm doing all right. i am disappointed. i am outraged. i am sad, and i am focused. i think that's what many veterans in america are feeling right now, because there's a really important point that's being missed. this is not about whether or not biden is right to pull us out. this is about how many people we save right now. do we save as many as possible or do we wash our hands of it and leave them to die? that's what you heard from matt zeller, that's what you hear from jeremy, that's what you hear from veterans across the media all day today. we want america to step up and flex every muscle we have to save lives. we don't have to reinvade afghanistan it we don't have to stay there for 30 years, but we have to do everything we can right now to save our allies. if we don't, there is a tremendous consequence for our national security, but also as matt talked abo

courtney kube and paul rieckhoff, finder of i a va and the host of the independent american's podcastso much for being here. coming up for us, as the rest of america remains largely divided along ideological lines, among the vaccinated and unvaccinated, is there anything that can breakthrough? those conversations, next. e conversations, next. rage customizer tool? sorry? well, since you asked. it finds discounts and policy recommendations, so you only pay for what you need. limu, you're an animal! who's got the bird legs now? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ what can i du with less asthma? with dupixent i can du more... yardwork... teamwork... long walks.... that's how you du more, with dupixent, which helps prevent asthma attacks. dupixent is not for sudden breathing problems. it's an add-on-treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma that can improve lung function for better breathing in as little as two weeks. and can reduce, or even eliminate, oral steroids. and here's something important. dupixent can cause serious allergic reactio

"paul" rieckhoff.rother. >> good to see you. >> what did you make of the withdrawal and biden's handling of it? >> the withdrawal is something i support, chris. most of america supports it and veterans support it. but to withdrawal has been a catastrophic failure. getting out of any military operation is always the most dangerous part. and the biden administration has let us down, has let the afghan people down, and has let the world down. i didn't have to go down like this. i don't support staying forever. but that's not what this is about anymore. today's speech from the president was more about making his case for withdrawal and explaining the last 20 years than it was about recognizing the tragic, devastating reality on the ground right now and explaining what the heck are we going to do next? failing to plan is planning to fail. and it was clear he did not have an adequate plan to withdrawal from afghanistan. what is he going to do right now to try to stabilize the situation and get out as many as