paul ryan was half the ticket that just lost the election. i think he has a lot less credibility and clout, sway now. he's post-voucher. a lot of things that weighed him down and brought him down to earth. then they've got john mccain in the senate. they already disliked him from the '08 campaign. they didn't he lost the election, didn't do enough to go after obama or the birther thing. there are so many incentives politically for republicans in the house to behave as the raucous caucus because they just don't care. in their districts this doesn't matter. >> in the next political chapter, say a compromised bill with legalization but not citizenship comes about. will democrats say, no, we don't want that, even though it's better than the status quo. we'd rather let the republicans hang themselves on defeating immigration. >> yeah. interesting that you bring that up because there is an excellent piece detailing the immigration deal in the senate. a quote from chuck schumer, the mirror image from the republican side saying they lost the hispanic

one of them is trey dowdy, another is paul ryan and other members, raul labrador and other member who's want to bringing about comprehensive reform. last weekend i was in

unclear whether he or paul ryan or anybody there can deliver all of these votes. we do know something that immigration reform proponents need to grapple with the house is going to make an already huge border surge even surgier. it's more emphasis on law enforcement and fences and drones than what we saw with the senate which is a bill john mccain says we are building a new berlin wall, hooray. we are get to a point where they will say how much am i willing to hold my nose and vote for. >> we are out of time. let me ask you real quickly because we have done sort of a gut check across this year and last year as well. what do you give the chances that something gets done? >> 20%. no higher. >> wow. any more optimistic than that, molly? >> i don't make prediction but that sounds about right to me. >> wow. molly bald and matt welch, a story we will continue to follow. thank you for coming in today. >>> in the meantime, one side is calling it a massacre. dozens of muslim brotherhood supporters in egypt killed in clashes with police over the weekend. this morning, more d

paul ryan says we should not have a two-tiered society where we have a permanent underclass.e wants to and that underclass and bring them out of the shadows and into american citizenship. then you have others who simply do not like immigrants. look, you can put as many people as you want on the border. sealed andcould be impenetrable. they still would not vote for conference of immigration reform or any reform. to them, one immigrant is one immigrant too many and they're never going to come around. good, solide are voices and the republican party that are going to in the end prevail on this issue. lastly, there's something very unique about this moment. and that is, i have been here 20 years. votes.re more than 218 there is a majority in the house of representatives to conference of immigration reform. that has never been there before. there are dozens of republicans that are ready to join a couple hundred of democrats to get this done. do is leteaker has to democracy flourished in the house of representatives and allow us to vote. let's not buy into this this senate bill, th

look at this, paul ryan does a lot better than rand paul or chris chris christ chris christie. >> paulvice president shl nominee even though they lost. he's been at the fore front of the big budget battles. he is better known nationally to republican and republican leaning voters. you have paul ryan all with relatively strong poll numbers. chris christie less strong that others. he's the more moderate of the group. those are roughly good numbers. of those four they are all possible, some would say likely contenders which means the republicans will have a good spirited race between some very interesting characters. >> one of those numbers, let me put that poll back up on the screen and remember these are republican leaning voters. 30% is a pretty snant number. i'd look at that 30% and wonder what's going on. i assume that's the result of what some republicans think were overly warm welcome to president obama just before the election. >> right. chris christie only had praise for the president and a lot of people think that's what hurt romney in the final days of election. we'll see if he

congressman paul ryan.e said in an interview with the nbc news in plain sight poverty project. >> everybody cares that we get people out of poverty. but unfortunately, a lot of these strategies have failed miserably to the point where we had the highest poverty rates in a generation. >> joining us is congresswoman donna edwards of maryland. welcome. >> i want to get to mr. ryan's is comments in a moment. first, we were just having a discussion about some of the things that have been said about race by conservatives in the wake of the zimmerman verdict. why do you think that people like mr. bill o'reilly think it's perfectly acceptable to use condescending phrases like the civil rights anniversary and to mock something that led to people giving their lives so that ordinary citizens in this country could vote? >> you know, i don't really know what's behind this, martin. i have to tell you, it must be disturbing for just millions of americans across the country to hear this kind of vitriol coming out of people

the president is offering 3 hearse% more than what paul ryan. ryan wanted a 25% corporate tax rate.bama is saying 28. make it very simple for businesses to fill it out, which are all things paul ryan used to want. the problem for republicans is this is not going to be a tax cut in and of itself. it's married to a stimulus package. and backdoor stimulus has been the only way that the obama administration has been able to be do things that stimulate job growth including rebuilding schools, infrastructure building, the idea of investing in college programs. these are supposed to be things that are bipartisan. because it comes from obama and because there's spending attached to it, even though it's deficit neutral, this he say no to that gret. >> jared, this afternoon we've been watching republicans in the senate call for the repeal of the affordable care act. that's air answer for everything. along with cutting -- i imagine that -- there we have pictures live of mr. marco rubio speaking about defunding obama care, of course, alongside the great ted cruz. jared, doesn't this proposal th

but paul ryan had a different take. listen to this. >> are you going to be helping constituent services much in the way with social security and medicare? >> we always help any constituent with any help with the federal government. anybody who has a problem with the federal government we're going to help them because that's my job. >> first of all, the weight of this, imagine some republican lawmakers saying they will not help their constituents in getting and applying and doing what is necessary to get health care. at least paul ryan who i don't usually agree with, at least he wouldn't go this far, that far. but there are actually some legislators, some lawmakers saying they won't help their constituents get health care. >> that's not surprising to me because you've got some republican governors. usually the ones interested in being president or vice president who are refusing to take the medicaid money. even though that's not going to save a dime. and their taxpayers are going to be paying for it. and in pennsylvania,

. >> one of the names on the gang of eight's target list is paul ryan. democrats hope may emerge as a champion of reform in the house. as evidence, after the republican immigration meeting last week as some members were bashing so called amnesty and insisting no way no how on comprehensive reform, paul ryan repeatedly reminded his conference that the problem is still a problem and needs to be fixed. >> we have a broken system that needs to be fixed and i think we have consensus that the system is broken and it needs to be fixed. it needs to be fixed. it needs to be fixed. there is an emerging consensus that it's broken and there's a consensus we need to fix it. >> it needs to be fixed. joining me, "time magazine's" newly minted washington bureau chief, pop a bottle, michael cherrer. washington post columnist, e.j. dionne, "new york times" economy reporter, a any any ie lowrie is on set and michael steel. chair men, the moustache is back and with that optimism, i think, in washington. first of all, paul ryan over and over again ij cysting that there's con

are more radical than anything that's been passed in the last 100 years. >> paul ryan is -- >> steve rattner, i will get you clippings from 1995, 1996, 1997 that were saying the same things then that you're saying now. you know what bill clinton did? he sat down with us and said i'll swallow a lot of things i don't want to swallow politically and you guys will do the same thing and we came to a budget agreement and there was a lot of hatred, a lot of acrimony, a lot of yelling. bill clinton knew i have no choice. they own the house of representatives, they are carrying the checkbook. this is my greater frustration. there's blame to go around on both side, republicans obviously in the house want to see the president fail. that's fine. but they are in the house, they got the checkbook, and the senate will feel the pressure too. there's got to be a deal that can be made out there somewhere, steve. >> i would love there to be a deal. we can debate what went on in 1997, you're right there was a deal. the deal that was made in 1997 makes what the republicans are proposing look like somethi

. >> you are quite similar to paul ryan >> stephen: in that we both do p-90x. >> ryan and the yan planepresented a return to a pre-new deal america. that's where i thought the stakes were so high. at the end for all of obama's truls right now, the center did hold. we're not going to have a radical right wing takeover of the united states. >> stephen: how did he get re-elected though because this is a conservative country and everybody knows it. how did he get reelected? >> there was a deep gap between romney and obama >> stephen: what is the deep >> the obama campaign had these 20-somethings in a cave >> stephen: a literal cave. to the obama campaagn headquarters in chicago where they worked in secret making algorithms, models. >> stephen: he lied about that too. it's a secret. >> he had professional poker playerss child property gee, biophysicists as well as the data scientists. >> stephen: that sounds like the legion of oom. >> it's an amazing stooy because what they were able to do was to microttrget so that the canvasesserss the people, many of whom... >> stephen: hundreds of thous

paul ryan isn't doing media tours. >> ryan could have that some saturday of influence if he wanted toe's been hesitant to use his political influence. >> the one who's been hesitant was george w. bush, who won 44% of the hispanic vote versus mitt romney's 29%. he is a symbol of the existential problem the party faces nationally. he cape out yesterday and this is the first time since leaving office that he really cape out front of the cameras on a national issue, urging his party to move and giving them the language that this is the sign of a healthy strong confident nation, that it embraces the energy, the power and the talents immigrants. it was as though he's trying to write a script for them they could embrace. and of course, you know, the impact is -- very likely to be little. >> it's interesting, i always felt border state republicans in general, particularly governors, they have a different mind-set on this. we saw rick perry. nobody would mistake him for a moderate republican. he's a tea party guy on a lot of things. on immigration, we saw where he was. i want to go to what pre

. >>> congressman paul ryan once again voicing his concerns over president obama's ability to lead the nation. >> i don't think i have heard a single new thing in these speeches. i don't think it's a good approach. one reason i ran against him in the last campaign. he's pushing the same old ideas that proven to fail. he's pushing big-government regulations and taxes and spending, that actually make it harder to create jobs. >> ryan also said during the interview which was part of the nbc news in plain sight poverty project, america's effort to end poverty has quote, failed miserab miserably. >>> and another juror in the george zimmerman trial is speaking out. she was hoping to deliver a different verdict than not guilty. >> first goal was second-degree murder. >> it was hard. a lot of us wanted to find something bad that we could connect to the law for myself, he's guilty, because the evidence shows he's guilty. >> he's guilty of -- >> killing trayvon martin. >> but as the law was read to me if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally you can't find -- you can't say he's guil

i think especially of paul ryan. i think of marco rubio. i think of eric cantor. they seem to be much more easily to simultaneously embody the genuine and proper conservative concern with traditional morality. along with a genuine and proper conservative concerned with limited government or individual liberty. i should add this is a real challenge for conservatives. is concerned with liberty on the one hand and tradition on the other, this goes back to edmund burke, one of the things of the revolution in france is liberty depends and gives proper respect to order an virtue because it's through traditional ways. it's through maintaining order tickets through the cultivation of virtues that we form individuals who are capable of maintaining freedom from maintaining a free society. burke understood there were -- liberty in the first place means doing as you wish. tradition in the first place means doing as authority as doing a tradition said you ought to do. sometimes what you wish to do, and you wish, what profession which to enter, he wished to raise your children

paul ryan y ex candidato a la vice-presidenc vice-presidencia.judicial por donde pasa cualquier proyecto de reforma, el congresista por virginia prefiere abordarse el tema por parte el Énfasis serÍa en seguridad. y raÚl labrador, quien es ademÁs abogado de inmigraciÓn, labrador se retirÓ del grupo bit bi-partidista y estÁ trabajando en sus propias ideas, y ha prometido presentarlas por pronto. para hablar de lo que podemos esperar y las decisiones que tendrÁn que tomar los republicanos en el estudio nos acompaÑa alfonso aguilar estratega polÍtico, real canpub, y ex director de la ciudadanÍa de el gobierno de george bush y en los Ángeles esta el analista polÍtico y asesor de temas hispanos, arnold torres bienvenidos a ambos. >>> gracias >>> alfonso quisiera comenzar contigo primeramente, quiÉn llegarÍa con mÁs fuerza este miÉrcoles los que estÁn a favor de una reforma migratoria o quienes quieren medidas de seguridad >>> este Último grupo tris tristemente hay un grupo de 70, 80 congresistas republicanos que quieren ver solamente medidas de segurid

they've effectively planted -- i mean the republican conversation is in and around the paul ryan budgetatic budget conversation is not happening around the house progressive conditions budget. it is happening around -- if it is, the senate democrats' budget which is infinitely more conservative than the house progressive caucus. if you know anything from i think deal making, you each start at the midway point should be midway between the extreme ends of the field and i think a lot of democrats have felt like we've been starting from far right or middle right rather than actually on the left. >> i think there is a lot of blame to be shared with democrats here. if you look at the position democrats have taken on entitlement spending, essentially you touch it and we'll kill you. but what's happening with demographic change is that government is becoming a check writing machine transferring the entire budget to middle class retirees through medicare and social security. it is crowding out everything that a progressive should want government to do in terms of taking on the problems of the po

you often have me on the show replying to paul ryan or grover norquist or douglas holtz eakin. this is something where those leading republican budget and economic experts and someone like myself are in complete agreement. we agree that common sense immigration reform is a win for economy, a win for growth and win for deficit reduction. >> a lot of compelling numbers in here but i want to come back and get very specific here. what do you say to people who say that when you ease the path to citizenship or resident status for immigrant workers, that it takes job away from american workersers, what's your direct answer to that? >> here's the direct answer. right now you have 11 million workers who are undocumented and live in the shadows. they can be taken advantage of. they can be paid lower wages. that ends up being unfair competition against existing workers. when those 11 million workers come out of the shadows, one, they are paying their fair share of taxes. that is good for other americans, but secondly, they can't be taken advantage of and they can't be used to undercut the

. >>> congressman paul ryan is dramatically increasing his role on the fundraising circuit. the candidate has some 20 events planned between now and the the end of the year to benefit house republicans up for reelection. >>> and new jersey governor chris christie released his summer spot if i play list. bruce springsteen has two songs in the top five. other artists include the drifters, talking heads. that's your morning's dish of scrambled politics. >>> turning now to the george zimmerman murder trial, two important witnesses took the stand monday in the case against george zimmerman on trial in the death of 17-year-old trayvon martin. the witnesses sanford police investigators who conducted multiple interviews with zimmerman shared their thoughts on his version of the story. >> reporter: good morning. george zimmerman, he may still take the stand in this case. he may not, but the jury got to hear his version of events through taped interviews and a video walk-through of the scene. >> he tried to grab my head. >> reporter: prosecutors played video of george zimmerman walkin

. >> it was supposed to be paul ryan -- >> and he's gone silent. >> paul ryan has never been brave on political front. always on policy but never on politics. >> there are republican constituencies out there, the business community that are pushing for immigration reform. and you have to imagine that the house republicans, even the tea party-backed republicans are going to hear from people in their district and people for whom they raise funds. >>> well, and congressman, there is you, somebody who's been pushing -- you're an immigration lawyer. you've been pushing for reform. i'll paraphrase something you were quoted as saying in june in the "national journal," that we've got to fix the system and that hispanics have essentially stopped listening to republicans. isn't that a bigger concern than some of these policy differences that you have with david brooks or others who would support the senate legislation? >> actually think if we don't do it right politically it's going to be the death of the republican party. if we do it right, i think it's going to be good for us, but if we don't

i'm going to continue to work with paul ryan. i'm going to continue. they will continue, luckily for me and for the i am grant community, they're going to continue to work with me. we're going to get this done. time is on our side. >> suarez: congressman luis gutierrez, democrat of illinois, thanks for joining us. >> thank you, ray. suarez: and now to republican raul labrador from idaho. earlier today your conference had a meeting, all the house republicans getting together. what did the speaker have to say about the future of immigration reform? >> the speaker just wanted to us have an honest conversation about what we needed to do to hear our concerns about immigration reform and whether we had any ideas on a path forward. we also had the chairman of the judiciary and the chairman of homeland security present what we have already done in those committees and kind of give a presentation to the conference on what the bill said that have been heard already are doing for the future of immigration. >> suarez: do the various bills coming out of the house m

and paul ryan, apparently taking advantage of the congressional recess by fishing. is that what he calls fishing? the wisconsin congressman tweeted this picture with the message, politicians don't always kiss babies. that's going to do it for your dish of "scrambled politics." >>> todd santos joining us. not checking out the weather. not tweeting pictures. >> not today. maybe not a fish. >> is that the strangest picture you've ever seen? >> it's a strange picture. >> what do you think about that? >> thank you for giving us something to start monday with. maybe a distraction for some folks, especially when dealing with extreme numbers heat-wise. some of the areas in the bright orange across the southwest. they are just to the west of the fire. but around the fire area, you could see the temperatures getting up to around 111 degrees for the firefighters themselves. there's a look at the daytime highs. vegas, if we hit 117, that would tie the all-time record, not just for the month or the day. that's an all-time record in vegas. right now, 99 degrees there. make a cool

. >>> paul ryan says that a vote on immigration reform in the house may not happen until october. >>> and hillary clinton's life story is headed to tv. nbc will produce a four-hour mini series about the former secretary of state ahead of the 2016 presidential election. diane lane will be starring as the first lady. the role of bill clinton has not yet been cast. that's your morning dish of scrambled politics. >>> heavy rain in philadelphia broke the record for one-day rainfall on sunday. over seven inches of rain fell within four hours causing road closures and flooding throughout the city. . a flash flood warning has been issued for areas in pennsylvania and delaware. meteorologist bill karins joins us with all the latest. >> it wasn't that widespread. philly just got nailed. it was the most rain they had seen in 140 years in one day. more than any hurricane that's moved through the area. eight inches of rain is too much for any location. you'll get some pretty crazy flooding. it's amazing that it wasn't widespread. everyone else had a quarter inch. all the rain and gloomy weather ha

done by the health impact project it would it's going to save twenty billion dollars right that's paul ryan's big talking point in the same report found based on current rates of diabetes in relation to poverty and u.s. communities this increase in poverty could translate to a growth in government private sector medical cause just for diabetes diabetes alone but nearly fifteen billion dollars over ten years so you can save twenty billion from a high calorie diet exactly and when people are poor and they don't have money to buy too much crap we've got a few of my deserts there are actual poverty the poor people are skinny because they're not getting enough food that's all different kind of thing ok all right we're talking about hypocritical when these people have access to twinkies so this is hypocritical when president obama when president obama took fifty times as much out of the medicare program to run into his obamacare boondoggle. he was cheered taking money away from these social programs when you like where they've spent the money is fine taking it away to save the economy and to preven

today however i do see promising developments is the was the younger generation of republicans of paul ryan and marco rubio mid eric cantor seemed to be much more easily simultaneously embody said genuine and proper concern along with a genuine and of proper concern of a limited government and individual liberty. i should add this is a real challenge liberties of the one hand and tradition on the other goes back to edmund burke one of the reflections of the revolution of france is liberty get these to be given a proper respect with order a and virtue because of the traditional way to maintain a legal order through those cultivation of virtues preform individuals were capel's to maintain a free society there is never less intentions but liberty in the first place means doing as you wish but position as a doing as a tradition says you ought to do as authority but sometimes what you wish to do or what profession and you wish to enter or racial children differs from what tradition says so then they meet each other tim brookes saw that dog negative perks of this but however with eric cantor in m

paul ryan, the v.p.al candidate never makes it when they run on their own. chris christie, that is the one that can beat hillary clinton if he is nominated by the republicans but he has problems on the right because he cozies up to obama last year and rand paul who is slightly better political investigation of his father. both principled and good people. i have a feeling they are too libertarian to win a general election. >> most important is there is no clear frontrunner. they are all in double digits. no one has made an impression. christie has if a general election but inside the republican party, there is no one that stands out. >>gregg: comment on the two people near the top, chris christie, is he electable? >> he electable but he has a problem getting nominated. the right has a problem with him. >> gregg: rand paul challenged >>guest: he is a man of principle with strong views, but i don't think he comes across with the kind of personality people hook for in a president. >> gregg: doug let's look a

we're going to see governors, we're going to see paul ryan certainly. i don't think paul's going to have a leg up. i think it's going to be the republican primary will be quite robust and it will have lots of different candidates. >> who would you like to see? >> i'm going to not answer that. that's why i wanted to be first. please go ahead. >> i don't want to punt, either. i think one of the advantages republicans have, we talk a lot about the disadvantages, long term. but it's a pretty strong bench for the next election. chris christie is a tremendous natural politician. >> he's a big figure on stage. >> you know, i have a tremendous affection for jeb bush. who i think -- i understand. by the way, gets both the libertarian side and the common good side of a lot of these questions. you know, i look at -- i think somebody like bobby jindal. i think that people like paul ryan. you know, would contribute a lot to the discussion. i also think that beneath that are a number of younger policy experts within the republican party, smart, intelligent people. som

and they're having a hearing, we're having a hearing led by paul ryan on wednesday to talk about povertyyou can come to be a witness, first of all. secondly, let me just say how proud i am of you for speaking out because i was on public assistance. i was on food stamps. >> right. >> you know, i had to struggle through in the early '70s raising my two kids. and it was really hard. so i just have to say to you you are absolutely correct. we need more people who are struggling, who need a bridge over troubled waters, who don't need section 8 cut, who don't need snap, food stamps cut, who really need just that support from their government so that they can move forward and live the american dream as you and your husband are really remacable in showing can be done. >> right. >> so congratulations. i hope i can see you on wednesday. but i'm going to ask. >> i hope so. >> congressman ryan to invite you as a witness. >> we're going to take a quick break and come right back because i do want to talk to you a little about -- you and i are both moms, and we talked back in the spring about how do yo

he had paul ryan for lunch to the white house for goodness' sake. gwen: the charm offensive. >> the charm offensive in which he looked for the common sense caucus. going back to the 14 republicans jeff talked about who voted for immigration, comprehensive immigration reform. the president trying to put together a group on the budget in the hopes that an agreement with them would carry some weight over into the house. that effort is pretty much dead. it's still -- bushels along a little bit. -- burbles along a little bit but the president trying to get something done before it runs out on his second term. >> and that could not have hurt. and that was at play here in the immigration bill. even if nothing happens in immigration long term, the white house still viewed that as a major victory. getting 14 republicans. and in this moment of time, it was. i spent most of my time in congress these days watching things. it's hard to spend time covering a deal. most time you're covering -- it was really fascinating to see things being thrown in for people. swe

we're going to see paul ryan certain. i do think paul will have a leg up. i think it will be the republican primary will be quite robust and it will have lots of different candidates. i'm going to not answer that. so that's what i wanted to be first. go ahead. >> i don't want to punch be the. i think one of the advantages republicans have, we talk a lot about the disadvantages, but it's a pretty strong bench for the next election. chris christie is a tremendous natural politician. >> you have big figure on stage. >> i have a tremendous affection for jeb bush, who i think, understand, by the way gets both a libertarian side and common good side of a lot of these questions. i look at somebody like bobby jindal. i think people like paul ryan. you know, which contribute a lot to discussion. i also think many found a number of younger policy experts within the republican party, smart, intelligent people. someday return, some from a more humanitarian perspective that can provide policy for an innovative campaign. but my general concern is that we just have seen d

>> it is very interesting, paul ryan called me two weeks ago.i want to help with immigration reform. so last week, we had evangelical leaders here in town up on the hill. had 110 visits on the hill. paul ryan met with us. met with the speaker, met with democrats and republicans. miss pelosi this week. all sides. this is finally something that could happen in a bipartisan way. could bring us together across all of the boundaries because 11 million people living in the shadows, we heard stories last week when women are raped, they can't call the police. if you're shot and wounded, i heard stories from pastors about people curling up in the corner hoping they don't die because they can't go to the e.r. because they'll call the police. they'll be deported. families are being broken. kids are being separated. this is a family issue. it is a moral issue. it is an economic issue. it is a law enforcement issue. so we've got bibles, badges and faith community, business and law enforcement saying this system is broken. has to be fixed. let's heal this nat

for example, people like grover norquist, douglas holtz-eakin, former vice-presidential candidate paul ryancan president george bush, all of them agree with the administration on the basic premise that comprehensive, common sense immigration reform will be good for economic growth, good for productivity, good for the economy. adam: how does it actually help? because the cbo actually said it would depress wages for a period of time? all these new people coming into the labor force? >> actually the cbo reports show that over 20 years it would increase wages by half percent. and, i think that, there's nothing in the cbo report to suggest that it would hurt the wages of existing american workers who are working today and i think if you talk to many of our top ceos in our country they will tell you that having greater access to high-skilled immigration rather than displacing american workers makes the united states a more attractive place to locate their headquarters, locate their production and that by locating more services and production to the united states that is actually a net increase fo

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wouldn't team any of them lincoln like necessarily but it's heartening to me you have marco rubio, paul ryan and bobby jindal leaders of that nature talking in these terms because otherwise i think the republican party has no future in this future. the whigs and the republicans at that time at the same problem. people associated them with the elite. people said they were pro-rich and the great achievement of lincoln was to demonstrate how his economics were designed to help everyone and to help the little guy climbing up and that is what the contemporary republican party needs to do as well. >> here is our next question. thank you for your presentation. i'm one of those awful lawyers. i like to think of myself as a good lawyer. you mentioned early on in your presentation that lincoln has supported government subsidies as a way to sort of help things up and so i would like to sort of walk down that slippery slope just a little bit here. milton friedman's position was that the government should have very little world and what goes on in the country within defense , criminal justice system and

in the trough of republican talking points that people like speaker john boehner and congressman paul ryane ever hear is that the affordable care act kills jobs. never once have we heard them say that it might actually save lives. the lives of the most vulnerable citizens of this country, and it will, if they'll let it. >>> thanks so much for watching our broadcast this afternoon. crist matthews and "hardball" is right next. >>> let me start tonight with this, public office, what is it today? what does it say to elevate one to public office? what does it mean to say he or she is the leader? this is the best of us, we choose this person to speak for us, be for us in the sun and storm ames. who is our bridge over troubled waters? just asking. has our view of public office so declined with just 1 in 8 of us saying we respect the u.s. congress and the majority saying to dump them all, havee

behind marco rubio and the 13 other republicans who voted for it in the senate, to line up behind paul ryan who in the house has been extremely constructive, cares about comprehensive immigration reform, he has complete credibility with the most conservative republicans in our party and the most conservative republicans in the house and, you know, the hope for people like me who care about the future of the republican party, doing the right thing and then reaping the political benefits after doing the right thing is that those voices will prevail. >> we'll see. it's going to be -- >> you're on it. masks, monkeys, and bands. >> next time there will be monkeys. >> there must be monkeys. >> nicolle wallace, you're a dear friend for doing this. former communications director for george w. bush, and former senior adviser for mccain/palin. it's great it have you here. thank you so much. we'll be right back. [ heart beating, monitor beeping ] woman: what do you mean, homeowners insurance doesn't cover floods? [ heart rate increases ] man: a few inches of water caused all this? [ heart rate increas

i assumes it means paul ryan will step forward and be a real leader in the house. i'm not so sure.pper class, maybe the new version, but the drama here is within the republican party. >> and that tea party issue, too, evan mentions. tea party candidate when he ran for the senate in florida in 2010 and the tea party defines itself in opposition to the republican establishment. we have all these establishment groups pushing to prop up rubio. apparently this week george w. bush is going to emerge this coming week to speak out, he is, the tea party was sort of a rebellion against what bush did to the republican party, right? i wonder if this reignits what key felt in 2010. >> the tension is there. if you're marco rubio, he will sponsor the ban, that's a kin to an apology. i was on the left on this issue and now come to the right on something you care about a lot, as well. that's one thing they talk about him. despite what we talk about all the time. if you look at mitt romney and john mccain the last two presidential nominees, not rick santorum and not someone, the more conservative. m

for example, people like grover norquist, douglas holtz eek in, former vice presidential candidate paul ryan, former republican president george bush. all of them agree with the administration on the basi premise that comprehensive common sense immigration reform will be good for economic growth. >> as sperling noted, president george bush reemerged in the public arena today after remaining largelyut of public view since he left office. mr. bush tried to offer a helping hand to his beleaguered and frustrated successor in the white house. >> we have a problem. the laws governing the immigration system aren't working. the system is broken. we're now in an important debate reforming those laws. and that's good. in the politics or the specifics of policy. but i do hope there is a positive resolution to the debate. >> president ama's press secretary jay carney taking a different approach, essentially blaming his boss's support for the senate gang of 8 bill and the house's reluctance to hold a vote. >> i know that it annoys them that he's in office. let's just accep that and posit that. this isn't

paul ryan and eric cantor are right there with him. both said they have not read the bill. and tim huelskamp said, i haven't read it yet. they decided to table the issue until next session when they think they'll have a bigger majority. so much for reaching out to latinos. they are motto is clinging to their demographic majority, which is white men and keep the demographics as small as humanly possible. stove king of iowa said this, it would hurt republicans. and two of the three new citizen was be democrats. as boehner sweeps the issue of immigration under the rug he returns to the republicans' over favorite issue of lost cause the obamacare. boehner and house republicans seize the opportunity to attack the president after his administration announced the delay of a piece of it, that is the employer mandate. >> this is the train wreck. >> michael: the g.o.p. don't seem to do a whole lot of reading. but even as republicans try to distract with stumps like this one, there are real issues not being addressed. that is gun violence. over the fourth of july weekend 70 people wer