paul ryan, that was outright excessive. wicz: ryan laid out a basic narrative. markus kaarma, twice a victim of burglars, reasonably thought diren dede was another one and dangerous. paul ryan: he thought that he was dealing with drug-seeking type individuals that were erratic. and who knows what they're-- how they were going to respond. josh mankiewicz: he told the jury his client had reason to believe diren dede was armed and ready to attack. and because he felt his life was threatened by the movement specifically of mr. dede, he had to take the steps, unfortunately, to take his life. the danger of a burglar is when there's a confrontation and they all want to escape and they'll do whatever they can to get away. josh mankiewicz: the defense said there was no debate over central fact-- diren dede went into that garage to steal. and on the stand, kaarma's lawyer got diren's friend, robby, to admit that despite warnings, diren didn't see much wrong with garage hopping. i think diren never felt like it was a crime. paul ryan: