they treated paul ryan as lucifer. i tell people, especially young people, we're a few years off from more than half of our budget going to interest payments on the debt. imagine people at home dealing with interest on the bills and half of their money is paying off interest, not even the minimum balance, but interest on the visa bill, and i'm leaving out their mortgage. game over. yet this game continues. >> well, it does. and we as parents tell our children, no, you can't have that. no, we can't afford that. we're able to put this discipline in our personal lives, we go to the ballot box and say, yes, we want more. neil: we all think it's due for us. if i ran for office, there would be no bacon, no bull, i wouldn't give you anything because i would remind people how deep we are in the red. if you don't have any money in the pot, you can't spend anything at all no matter the intentions. >> we keep saying, let's tax the rich. you have 400 people -- 400 individuals paying as much as the bottom 50 percent of all taxpayer