summers: i have two famous uncles, paul samuelson and ken arrow are both my uncles. gary: i don' t know anybody who grew up in philadelphia who is not absolutely passionate about philadelphia sports. with? sec. summers: i grew up eagles, and 76ers. 45 years in boston has moved that a bit, i' m a little bit bigger on the red sox, and the patriots. i still check out the phillies, and eagles, however. anthony: what kind of kid were you, did you get in trouble? sec. summers: i would not say that i was the wildest kid. i did not do my homework enough either to be valedictorian. yeah, i was in the chess club, and the math club. anthony: you were on the debate team at m.i.t., how did that prepare you for government? sec. summers: a few ways. it taught me there were two perspectives on everything, and you had to be prepared to argue both sides if you wanted to really understand the question. it taught me to be able to express myself relatively forcefully, and clearly. in debate, you are always supposed to number your argument. that stuck with me, and ever since people make f