plus paul sankey and melissa retko. indexes have picked up into the close of the week. week but the s&p now up about 0.5%. barb, your thoughts in general here on the market feel position because there's two ways, i think, to characterize what's been happening one is up just another bear market rally, we've seen a couple of these double-digit rebounds when the market oversold and they have always failed before getting too far. on the other hand, people say, bear markets have a knack for bottoming in october, year-end strength after midterm elections, earnings perhaps not as bad as feared either one of those cases make more sense to you? >> yeah, i know. i think, you know, the reflex, of course, because of all the p ptsd from this year is to think this is another bear market rally and it may well be people are saying, is this a repeat of the summer where we were up for two months and had good returns just to return back to the lows again? i think there's a big difference now, though. we've had a lot more economic data points and obviously the cpi number and the ppi number