paul schaefer, ladies and gentlemen. >> the show making fun of itself and turning itself inside out thatou'd see hanging around together. >> absolutely. >> would you like to hang around with me. >> flow. >> i'll say it again, this is the stupidest show. >> i thought i would never want to do this show with you? now why, because you thought i was. >> an [ muted ]. >> there is one rule i keep trying to abide by, and unfortunately, i only get to it about 12% of the time and that is, it's only television. we're not doing cancer research. if the 40-year odd history of commercial broadcasting has taught us one thing, there's nothing sacred about television. >> steven is upstairs. >> dave, i was just curious, is there any way i can get mtv on this? >> actually, steve, that's just a monitor and all you can get on that is our show. >> oh, that's okay. >> there was a degree of cynicism that was needed in the art form at that time, and it's a cynicism that just became common sense after awhile because it never got old. >> i've watched johnny carson, and you are no johnny carson. [ laughter ] >> welc