tell me, and paul volker say hero for you. >> yes. >> rose: former chairman of the federal reserve when he basically attacked inflation and said we're going to -- >> yeah, the only thing worse-- . >> rose: and understanding that he was going to have to-- a very, very tough year or so for the economy. >> and, indeed, the beginnings of that reagan term were problematic, right. that was-- i mean paul volker really i think understood that the only thing worse that fixing inflation was not fixing it. it was that corrosive. >> rose: and ronald reagan probably understand if you are going to do it do it early in your term so that by the time f it works, you will have something positive to point to and say yes, i know how bad it was. i know you turned against me, however, we got it under control. >> and he pushed prime rate above 20%. and it caused a meaningful recession. the last time unemployment was above 10% was in the course of that recession. >> rose: but it's leadership of that kind that paul volker that you believe is necessary. >> i do. and-- . >> rose: but where is ben bernanke, who ha

paul volker the former chairman of the federal reserve said that our corporate tax system is chasingca, that the rates are that high, it's making america uncompetitive. it's almost unpatriotic and i use that word intentionally to support this tax system that is sending jobs abroad. jamie: at the same time i appreciate you giving me the credit for saying it. i asked the question. i'm not saying anything about it, i only asked the question. i do have a comment on makers mark. 90 proof, 90 proof, and the customers of the pwaour bourbon said don't do that to me. is this a case of a company abiding by the principle the customer is always right or do you think it's an intentional marketing ploy. >> i think it's a of both. when you had that interview on there he said things are so good, why would you change things if they are so good? it could be a marketing ploy. what is the difference 90 proof or 86 proof, do you really know the difference? but hey the customers know what they want. jamie: i don't think i could take cough syrup that strong. >> you're giving free advertising today, so it's