on the other hand your film has a lot of praise for paul volker. he was named to the fed chairmanship by jimmy carter. what do you think he did that we can learn from? >> you know i think lesson we try ohold up volker as a lesson what you look for as a central banker, or any leader in a society. someone who is willing to do things that might hurt in the short term but have long term benefits. the fed has political independence. they're not elected officials. they're very much protected i think in a lot of ways from pressure, from explicit pressure from politician he. but the question is how does the fed use that influence? volker did something raised interest rates up very high, up to 20%, hard to imagine, 20% interest rates today. but what it did in the long run was, you know set the stage for a very healthy period for the u.s. economy. restore faith in the u.s. dollar, bring inflation down help, you know, lower the cost of living for americans. so it was a great thing. in the short run it caused a recession, it was very painful but in the long ru