so you will hear people like paul watson calling human beings the aides on the planet earth. and so when environmentalism and conservation, which i think are proper movements, begin to mutate and menastasize into a antihuman movement which i think much of radical animal -- i'm sorry, environmentalism is becoming -- even in the global warming fight, you are now hearing calls for reducing the human population to under a billion. you're hearing calls for mass abortion and perhaps and mass euthanasia and this kind of thing because we're the enemies and we're the cause of all the suffering on the planet. you're beginning to see a convergence. now, it's very interesting -- i think a difference between human beings and other species -- you have a lot of seals up here in the seattle area. when a seal washes up on the beach and is injured, what happens? if you're not a human being you either eat the seal or you ignore the seal. if you're a human being, you rescue the seal. we've seen the seal rescues even they are eating all the salmon. i think there's convergence of radical radicalis