paul weyrich, the late paul weyrich was in that chair there and he said this and see what you think of this. >> our culture is continuing to decline. here we are, working on a marriage amendment you know something that i thought was self-evident that marriage was between a man and a woman, but now we're having difficulty trying to get this passed. you know we are not succeeding in changing the culture to return to a time when values mattered. they're becoming less and less important in the society. and you know when all is said and done, it doesn't matter whether you have a minimum wage or not. and it doesn't matter you know what kind of trade policy you have, if in fact the moral fabric of the society has disintegrated. >> what about the morals, the values? i mean, his definition of values might be different than today's. >> well, let me start in a general way. i think conservatism is -- the difference between conservatives and liberals, a very profound difference is that conservatives begin from a constrained and limited notion of -- limited set of expectations about what human being