this is what i think this is good for brittney griner and for paul wheelen but let's not forget wheelenhe marine. brittney griner, major figure, a huge profile but this marine has been there a long time. paul wheelen and we got to get him out, too. >> uh-huh. trever reed told jake that the u.s. needs to do whatever it takes to free those americans that are illegally imprisoned overseas and some of whom you've mentioned. he really struggled with the fact that paul wheelen didn't come home, as well. do you think trever's release might help get -- do you think it will help get wheelen out and brittney griner? >> i think so. it means the russians are ready to deal. the u.s. government is ready to deal but it will take something in return, some kind of prisoner exchange, some kind of swap. the russians want parody and that's what it's going to take. you know, administration that has a track to proceed with trying to get bri brittney grin and wheelen out. we have one track and they have another. three of us trying to do it, administration has 300 or 3,000, fine. we got to get them out, don, b