i was asked on a visit to the united states on other matters to talk to paul wolfowitz about this issue and to seek to persuade him that it was not sensible to do this. but if it had been possible to resolve things in a more constructive and better way than it turned out to be, it is possible the degree to which threats arose might have faded. but this again is hypothetical. the fact is that the threat increased, was exacerbated by iraq, and caused not only my service but many other services round the world to have to have a major increase in resources to deal with it. in 2003, having had an upgrade in resources after 9/11, which my predecessor agreed, and another small one in -- another one, not small actually, in 2002, by 2003 i found it necessary to ask the prime minister for a doubling of our budget. this is unheard of, it's certainly unheard of today, but he and the treasury and the chancellor accepted that because i was able to demonstrate the scale of the problem that we were confronted by. >> a doubling of your budget because of iraq? >> well, the two are connected. the upsurge

conservative movement professor university of illinois who taught his neoconservative students like paul wolfowitz that there are two stories that need to be told there's the public story for the average person's public consumption and then there's the secret story that only we know cons know among us there's a whole ends justify the means thing there i think that the influence of these folks the obama administration the evidence that the influence of these folks including case in the obama administration is dramatic radically diminished is that the obama administration has not been pushing hard for bombing iran for example although there was an increase in troops in afghanistan president obama still talking about there being a firm date next year for withdrawing he's he is arguably not but at least making the gestures of pulling out of iraq so i do i don't think this is as bad as it could be and also the trias has given kagan a very limited role which is dealing with corruption karzai and frankly the karzai government is a mess it's probably one of the most corrupt governments on earth and. you k

. >> you're asked -- do you recall when you were asked to see paul wolfowitz and when? >> no. >> you do not? >> i would have to check because i do not know. >> and you do not remember who ask you to see him? >> it may have been a foreign officer. as director general, when i went to the united states, i was sometimes asked to do things for other departments. and if i recollect, at whatever stage it was, i was as to press on this particular issue, and i was just one of many. i seen him anyway. >> it cannot converse? >> not on the whole. >> i would like to go back to before the war. you're giving evidence and assessments of an increased risk of al qaeda. and there was a reaction to a potential war in iraq. could you give us a sense of the difference between the sort of things you are anticipating and what you actually experienced? >> i think it is fair to say that we did not foresee the degree to which british citizens have become involved. our focus in the 1990's and earlier on these issues involved, for example, members of algeria extremist groups and lisbon extremist gr

in a "new york times" op-ed piece this morning, paul will for its -- wolfowitz says korea might be a model for iraq. germantown, maryland. tony, democratic line. caller: thanks, greta. i think most republicans have never heard of the story of the -- where two nations were in the war and to end the war one nation gave the other the white elephant but in order to receive it you had to be able to have a lot of money and take care of it. so they waited until the nation took care of the white elephant over and over again until they finally went broke and after they went broke they just walked in and took over the kingdom. host: a lot of headlines about the economy. "washington times" -- facts spent on small business tax. obama, gop both claim to be champion jobs growth. from page of "usa today." also and "the washington post" -- obama promises new jobs a. -- aid. about his speech in the rose garden. if you want to watch it, go to c-span.org. a 15-minute speech. if you go to c-span.org, go to video library, you can watch the entire speech. "the financial times" -- president struggles to co