. >>> former deputy defense secretary paul wolfowitz on the president and terror. and republican governor john kasich on his white house ambitions. >>> but first, an al qaeda-linked terror group is calling for attacks on shopping malls here in the united states specifically the mall of america in minnesota, as well as shopping malls in britain and canada. in a taped message the somali based group al shabab talks about its december 2013 attack at a mall in kenya that left more than 60 people dead. >>> and with us this morning, we have the department of homeland security secretary, jeh johnson. thanks so much for being with us this morning. i have to get right to the news this morning, which is that an al qaeda-linked terror group, al shabaab, is publicly calling for attacks now on shopping malls in the united states as well as overseas. they've specifically targeted the mall of america in minnesota. in a video they have released. what can you tell us about how operationally advanced this threat is, mr. secretary? >> gloria, this latest statement from al shabab refle

he has paul wolfowitz and george shults. a white-washed neocon. what do you want me to say?avorite kind of republican. he is going to become an economic populist which is really dangerous. i'm liking more what he has to say about immigration and despite what he says about common core. he is differentiating himself in foreign policy because those are shortcomings, for chris christie scott walker and rand paul to some extent. >> anyone want to defend jeb? >> i would like to yield all of my time to the judge for two reasons. one, you lived in florida and he was your governor. >> yes. >> second you just shared something with the couch. you were a first? >> he was part of that. >> he was not part of the that. i ran. he appointed more minorities to the bench in florida any governor ever will. almost his entire tenure as governor to florida most of the appointment to the bench were women, african-americans hispanics. that was a good thing prior to that the bench was 95% older white men in florida. so i like jeb. i thought he was a great governor florida. i don't agree with all of h

another jeb adviser, paul wolfowitz, one of the architects of the iraq war.he one who wrongly claimed that iraq oil would pay for it all. he doesn't disagree with his brother's foreign policy or apparently anything else his brother did. check out this claim from the dnc that they dug up today. >> what's your biggest political disagreement with your brother? >> i will tell you that i'm the only republican that was in office when he was in office and as president that never disagreed with him. and i'm not going to start now. why would i do that now? >> no. not one time did you call up and say, don't do that? >> i'm not going to start now. till death do us part. >> no disagreements? then or now. joining me now, msnbc's joy reid and abby huntsman. >> you showed paul wolfowitz there. the problem for jeb is that in a sense they were more his than george's. remember when he was running for governor for florida. >> we're talking to a floridian expert. >> i moved to florida in 1997. >> so you know everything that you need to know about jeb bush. >> he was an original

you have paul wolfowitz who is the typical neoconservative.ou have someone who left bush's administration early and then became a critic. you have everything in between. what i thought was interesting is jeb bush, like george w. bush, wants an idealistic foreign policy. liberty diplomacy -- he talked about something called liberty diplomacy. he was also very critical and this was the most direct shot at george w. bush's administration that thinking that elections alone will solve the problem and talked about how in venezuela and gaza they were groups that won election that use the election to take more freedom away from the population. that is a very subtle difference from the emphasis on elections 10 years ago. this is where he said no longer will we tolerate an era where we supported stability at the expense of values and we got neither. now you have jeb bush tweaking that slightly. he said we support the military dictator in egypt. his brother's administration was tough on mubarak. >> there was a lot of discussion making us solvent and maki

paul wolfowitz, thank you so much. >> your're welcome. >>> when we come back my exclusive interview withn kasich on whether he's in the 2016 race and what republicans can do to win back the white house. e financial noise financial noise financial noise financial noise >>> he's the popular two-term governor of the state vital to any republican hoping to win the presidency. so it's no wonder that republican ohio governor john kasich is tiptoeing around a possible presidential bid. he showed up in the early primary state of south carolina last week where i sat down with him. the official reason for his visit is his long standing crusade, as he calls it for constitutional amendment requiring a balanced federal budget. it's something he's been working on for decades. >> when i left washington after being budget chairman and being part of the budget deal with a $5 trillion surplus we blew the whole thing. we have to change the culture because it will eat us alive. >> is this a way for you to test the presidential waters? >> not really. the reason i came here is that i know that it would send h

bush is consulting with 20 veterans of past bush administrations, among them james baker and paul wolfowitz. jeb bush outlined a muscular foreign policy including a fight against isis. >> taking them out is the strategy. there's no talking about this. that's just not going to work for terrorism. >> reporter: until now the former florida governor's been mostly on board with his brother's policies. >> i'm the only republican that was in office when he was in office as president that never disagreed with him. and i'm not going to start now. >> reporter: the bush bloodlines run deep. after barbara bush said this to nbc news two years ago. >> there's other people out there that are very qualified. and we've had enough bushes. >> reporter: last week she insisted she changed her mind, skyping into an event while her son was speaking. [ inaudible ] >> reporter: today jeb bush acknowledged mistakes with his brother's iraq policy, but he credited his brother for the surge in iraq calling it one of the most heroic acts of political courage by any president. peter alexander, nbc news, chicago. >>> ther

like tom ridge, paul wolfowitz and porter goss. >>> a new poll shows a tight 2016 field for republicans. and anything but for democrats. mike huckabee's narrowly leading jeb bush and scott walker. look at that 16 14 and 11. mike huckabee he is back. but not far behind, you have rand paul and chris christie. chris christie at 8% and doing well in states like new hampshire. and still within striking distance at 7% dr. ben carson. hillary clinton, meanwhile, she's up 47% over the next-closest democratic rival, vice president joe biden. these polls were taken before joe biden swore in the new secretary of defense. we'll see how his loving touch helps. >>> there's an interesting question in the poll. asking voters which candidates represented the past and which represented the future. hillary clinton's about even. people see elizabeth warren as a candidate of the future. christie, paul and walker are all slightry upside down. look at joe biden and jeb bush they're seen as creatures of a bygone era. that's going to be one of jeb bush's challenges. the money men that supported republican candi

like a who's who of his brother's inner circle, including former deputy secretary of defense paul wolfowitz, and former homeland security security secretaries michael chertoff and tom ridge. of course, it would be hard to find experienced republican foreign policy advisers who didn't work for one of the two last republican administrations. hillary clinton will face a similar problem if she runs scott, and wants to try to set herself apart from her husband. >> pelley: nancy thanks very much. president obama said today muslims have to take responsibility for repudiating terrorism. he opened a three-day summit on fighting extremism at the white house. the discussion with community and religious leaders centers on how to counter isis and other groups that are enticing young people to murder. here's the president. >> they are not religious leaders. they're terrorists. ( applause ) and we are not at war with islam. ( applause ) we are at war with people who have perverted islam. >> pelley: but they have been persuasive. look at this-- before last year attacks by terrorists who identify with extre

one name at the nexus of this graph sticks out like a sore thumb, paul wolfowitz.now, governor "i'm my own man" bush i can see how you might think an adviser from the administrations of ronald reagan, your father and brother may have the type of history that would make them a strong foreign policy adviser for you. but if you want to talk about how mistakes were made during the iraq war, then look no further than paul wolfowitz. here are just a few of the pieces of advice from deputy secretary of defense paul wolfowitz during your brother's presidency. now, he advised on how u.s. troops would be received in iraq. >> these are arabs 23 of the most educated people in the arab world who will welcome us as liberators. then he advised on what the war would cost. >> we're not dealing with afghanistan that's a permanent war of an international community. we're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon. >> hmm. he then advised on necessary troop levels. >> some of the higher-end predictions that we have been hearing recently s

haynes, and then paul wolfowitz, you might recognize that name.as asked to sign off on this specific interrogation plan for this guy. he signed off on it too, and it went all of the way upstairs to donald rumsfeld. and he personally signed off on what they want today do to this one guy. as part of this out there plan for this guy, they wrote up their plans, right? including some very specific stuff they want today do. they wanted to take him out on a boat and drive him around the island in guantanamo making him think he was being transferred to a far away and worse prison. they kept a bag over his head the whole time they kept him on that boat. they stuffed him in a straight jacket, and from his neck to ankles, they packed all of the space between his bare skin and those clothes with ice cubes. once he was packed like that, on the boat, they beat the hell out of him. they showed him a fake letter about how they arrested his mother and they were interrogating her like interrogating him. and they were going to bring her to guantanamo as well. it is

there you see paul wolfowitz, stephen hadley.ou make of this. >> a lot of smart people, good people. i admire people on that list. it raises the threshold question not just for hillary clinton and george what you have learned. 12 years ago it spring we knocked over the dictator in iraq. cost a trillion dollars. iran got stronger we got weaker. it didn't end well. not to relate gait it it's pointless. necessary to ask what you have learned? this fantasy of overthrowing dictators leads to it a better world inevitably is that true? you have no credibility if you can't answer those questions directly clearly with a straight face. >> bush has to be able to say before i ran for the presidency, i was not out to criticize my family member's dad or brother. but now that he is a presidential candidate, he has to put that in abeyance because the country has to know what he thinks about the past and he is going to have to be critical, if he is, of the policies of the past. otherwise, he is trapped in a place where he is into the say what his

he has james baker, a realist, but also guess who else, steven hadley and paul wolfowitz who left usith isis, a nutso policy called the pottery barn rule, you break it, you bought it. will the real jeb bush please stand up. are you go it alone freedom fries neocon ideologue? then your brother doubled down with his war of choice. are you taking us to war with iran? is this going to be the bush trifecta? are you going to find other ways to guard this country's interests other than taking us into another war? political correspondent casey hunt is in chicago covering governor jeb bush today. what was the feeling out there today? that he separated himself from his sibling and his father or he didn't? >> chris, i think that while the headline out of this was, i am my own man, you didn't actually hear many specifics where jeb bush is actually differentiating himself between george w. bush and george h.w. bush. if you listen to the discussion about iraq, he said there were mistakes made in iraq and that the surge was politically heroic, one of the most politically hero we can things that any

i mean, to have somebody like paul wolfowitz, whatever people think of him, he really is the face of the iraq war in a lot of ways. and so, i think for him to choose people like that, i think it's going to be something that will come back to bite him. >> a lot of other, more, you know, on the other side of the republican spectrum as well. >> there's an opportunity though, here, too, in that the conflict that george w. bush was in in terms of iraq and afghanistan, it's an entirely different -- very different from the security situation and the problems we face now. he can embrace that and actually really craft his own strategy. >> let's move on to the democratic side because hillary clinton was in the news this week when it was revealed that the clinton foundation has collected some $2 billion in donations since 2001 and made a large portion of that even in the last couple years, has come from foreign governments and foreign entities. >> politically this is potentially a catastrophic move for hillary clinton. and you know evidence of a big blind spot if she thinks that she can continu

he has james baker, a realist, but also guess who else, steven hadley and paul wolfowitz who

among them his father's secretary of state, james baker, also paul wolfowitz of iraq policy.ondoleezza rice as another adviser. this team put together by advisers that served both his father and brother. candidates draw heavily from previous administrations of the same party. in this case the administrations just happen to be all bush administrations. from the speech itself, it seems that bush is prepared to have the united states play a greater role in current conflicts in places like ukraine and syria than it already is. >> i have doubts whether this administration believes american power is such a force. under this administration we are inconsistent and indecisive. we have lost the trust and confidence of our friends. we definitely no longer inspire fear in our enemies. the great irony of the obama presidency is this. someone who came to office promising greater engagement with the world has left america less influential in the world. >> and msnbc political correspondent casey hunt was in chicago with governor bush for that speech. she joins us now from washington. thanks

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negroponte, who served as ambassador to iraq and the first director of national intelligence, paul wolfowitz, a key architect of the 2003 iraq war, and george w. bush's national security advisor stephen hadley. all three worked for both bush presidents. but speaking wednesday, jeb bush said he is his own man. >> for the record, one more time, i love my brother and i love my dad -- i actually love my mother as well. i hope that is ok. i admire their service to the nation and the difficult decisions they had to make, but i am my own man in my views are shaped, on thinking and my own experiences. >> another name on jeb bush's list include former assistant secretary of state roger noriega, a key figure in the overthrow of haitian president jean-bertrand aristide under george w. bush. meanwhile, hillary clinton, the likely democratic frontrunner for president, has come under fire from environmental groups after it was revealed her foundation has received millions in donations from fossil fuel companies, the governments of saudi arabia and qatar, and a canadian governmental agency promoting the ke

there are names like paul wolfowitz that will stick out to people.question is if you think about this in broader context, if you expect that jeb bush were he to win the nomination would ultimately face hillary clinton, some of it is neutralized. she voted for the iraq war, drove her primary with now president barack obama, saying he was opposed to it. i think for bush that's potentially a setup that's been official. but in the primary he is going to come up against some opposition, if you think of how rand paul will focus his campaign as somebody that doesn't want manager boots on the ground. >> to your point about what neutralizes here when he says that he's his own man, will he contrast his views against his brother's which obviously highly debated and criticized at this point even still as we look at the on-going events playing out in iraq and around the world. >> reporter: right. what's happening with isis now, it obviously put this in the spotlight. there will be questions about whether or not the ultimate root of this is chaos created in iraq b

these are not promises these people will serve in the administration if jeb bush gets elected but paul wolfowitzy high profile people his fathers and more importantly his brother's administration, many of which are quite controversial, i wrote a piece saying jeb bush can't have his cake and eat it too. you can't benefit from the last name being bush fund-raising placed in the race part of republican royalty but also not have the issues he'll have when you name an advisory group like this that includes many people from your father and your brother's administrations that a lot of the country may not agree with their vision for the country's future. >> does include james baker, who was notably absent from his brother's advisory informal kitchen cabinet on the decisions to go into iraq and that is a significant difference with the former secretary of state. one of the excerpts an important excerpt from the speech he's about to give reads "i also have been lucky to have a father and a brother who both have shaped america's foreign policy from the oval office. i recognize that as a result my views wil

top lawyer at the pentagoning william hanes and the deputy defense secretary william wolfowitz, paul wolfowitzlan for the guy he signed off on it, too. the plan kept going and upstairs to rums felds, defense secretary at the time and rumsfeld signed off on it of what they wanted to do to this one identified guy. as part of this out there plan for this guy, they wrote up -- they wrote up their plans, right, including specific stuff they wanted to do to him. they said they wanted to blindfold him and take him out on a boat and drive him around the island drive him around guantanamo in the boat making him think he was transported by sea to some other far away and worse prison. the prisoner later said the man later said they kept a bag over his head the whole time they kept him on the boat. they stuffed him in a straitjacket and from his neck to ankles, they packed all of the space under his clothes, all the space between his bare skin and those clothes with ice cubes. and then once he was packed like that, with ice, with a bag over his head on the boat they beat the hell out of him. at one point

like former secretary of state james baker, homeland security secretary michael chertoff and paul wolfowitz u.s. deputy u.s. secretary and architect of the 2003 invasion of iraq. it's written the list of advisers tells us while jeb bush may be his own man, he's still a man of the republican establishment. in other words, a bush. speaking in chicago yesterday, here's how the former governor talked about his brother's legacy in iraq. >> there were mistakes made in iraq, for sure using the intelligence capability that everybody embraced about weapons of mass destruction, turns out not to be accurate. my brother's administration through the surge, which was one of the most heroic acts of courage politically that -- that any president's done because there was no support for this and it was hugely successful. >> and joining me now live nbc news senior political editor mark murray. the first read team put it this way, if you're your own man why are you surrounding yourself with the many same foreign policy advisers? did jeb bush in any way answer that question? >> you know, tamron he didn't. it's

really tell us much just like his speech, because in that list you have people like bob zelic and paul wolfowitz on two opposite ends of the republican foreign policy establishment so we didn't learn very much by his list of advisers. basically the advisers for the last two republican presidents happened to be both bushes and the we didn't learn much from his speech. >> that's why it was sort of controversial because he says he's his own man and yet he's hiring some of these people that were working with his father and his brother. >> and everybody was on that list, everyone. >> they were the two last republican presidents, so if you're look with someone who served presidents in republican administrations there's not many people you can look for other than people that looked for a bush. >> that's the right point. >> obama's foreign policy which is the democratic foreign policy, the two bushes and some differential between the two bushes, senior and junior and you basically have to define what your foreign policy is going to be by admitting their mistakes in the past by how do you fix them and mo

paul wolfowitz is considered more hawkish.ave james baker, who was under president george h w bush more pragmatist. while these hands harken back to his brother and father, it is too simplistic to say they are unified. we are trying to parse out what these names mean. i think we will have to wait until jeb bush tries to lay out how he feels about foreign-policy. betty: twitter could not spare him from some of the gaffs he made during this speech. phil: it is twitter. betty: people love to troll people. one was, instead of saying ukraine, he said the ukraine. he was making up iran and iraq. phil: at one point, he said 200,000 isis fighters when it was more like 20,000. when he is up giving scripted speeches, he can stumble. his stump speech when following a script can look rough. where he shines is the question and answer period. he has an understanding of the issues and is loose and funny as funny as a politician could be. as you point out there is a recognition that he has that work to do and it is something he will have to f

paul wolfowitz as well.ndersecretary of defense for the first bush administration under dick cheney. a few other names are michael chertoff and tom ridge. they are bush -- george w. bush's secretaries of homeland security. you can go through the list and the breakdown that is on the "washington post" website. other publications reporting on that list of advisors. in its wrapup, noting that one name is missing from that list is former secretary of state condoleezza rice. she is still a close ally to the bush family as anyone listed on that list, she has consulted with the former florida governor. the absence of her name suggest that he is sensitive about being seen as a carbon copy of his brother. more on that story on "washington post.com." life for independents. good morning. caller: i am an air force veteran. i do not want any more neocons in office starting wars. we have too much to take care of in our country, the roads are falling apart in the bridges are falling down. i do not want another neocon and d

why would you knowingly put a paul wolfowitz on your committee when he -- when there is no more iraq.e's partially responsible. >> and many -- to assert a certain part of the donor base which is kind of lined up in that way. he has a big problem in the party right now right, which is whether he likes it or not he is identified as being a mod rate. >> on every level this is a blast from the past this. >> that's kind of the nature of legacy candidates. >> it is interesting yesterday he was trying to point out that he was his own man but then he made a release of foreign policy advisers that made him look like his brother and father's man. >> joe, don't you think the question here is on the substance, right? is he going to go to a foreign policy closer to his brother's or father's? >> father's. >> those are very different. >> i can't guess what jeb bush would do as president of the united states but i saw what he did as governor. jeb bush did not take chances as a governor. he did not go on ideological rants. he was more like eisenhower. he did what worked. and was not swept away by peop

reporter: now bush's dman waiting is signing up more than a dozen of his brothers advisers including paul wolfowitz, and architect of the iraq policy. the region is in chaos, and the islamic state conquers territory that americans fought and died to protect. jeb bush blames president obama. >> my brother's administration through the surge, which was one of the most heroic acts of courage politically that any president's done, it created a stability that when the new president came in he could have built on. >> reporter: in his speech yesterday bush talked tough but didn't say whether he would support putting american boots on the ground to fight isis. >> restrain them. tighten the noose, and then taking them out is the strategy. >> reporter: on the whole, polls show republicans are willing to support bush. but many americans say his last name makes them less likely to vote for him. a lesser problem for hillary clinton. but when it comes to iraq she has a problem of her own. her vote to give bush the authority to go to war in the first place. >> this is a very difficult vote. this is probably the ha

when his foreign policy team looks much like his brother's or his father's including names like paul wolfowitzl you they're very different. that i obviously share the same values that were passed down to them from their parentsnd their family but they do bring different approaches to the job. they bring in different, you know, way in which they think about things. and look the people who are talking about the types of advisers who advised both president bush 41 or 43 and in this case jeb, there is a wide range within that group of advisers. i can tell you because i sat in a lot of the meetings in which a lot of them gave conflicting advice. it represents the full spectrum of foreign policy thinking across what would most would argue the republican party or the philosophy that's guided the republican party. so the range of advisers that i see giving participating in these conversations with governor bush demonstrates that he is seeking out a diversified set of views. so i wouldn't over interpret that as being, they advised president bush therefore governor bush is like them. i wouldn't buy that