the some policy makers like paul wolfowitz and donald rumsfeld, the secretary of defense, suggested to president bush that he turned his attention to iraq. but i show in my book that initially president bush rejected those reject those notions. it was just days after 911 where this happened. and i believe president bush did tell them, listen, if you're going to talk to me about an iraq al qaida nexus relationship, whatever, you've got to find some evidence for it. wolfowitz then directed feith douglas feith to set up an office which was called the office of special plans inside the pentagon, not the kindest sounding name, kind of an nefarious sounding name. office of special plans to look for this evidence. and so there were people early on trying to find something on saddam. and i think that's why some people today, even at the time, thought the war was decided pretty early here. no. yes. i mean, there are many people who focus on the creation of the office of special plans, and that did happen inside the office of the secretary of defense. but the most important thing for you and for

along the chair of the joint chiefs of staff, the vice chair of the joint chiefs of staff, and paul wolfowitz, his second in command. and as communications people, he brought two of those people. so we'll we like to point out that we sometimes as we secretary gates and these instances typically for just one to a group of us interview him but sometimes we'll say to two we say to all the secretaries particularly if you'd like to bring a team, feel to do that. so first of all, if you will, sir, tell us what that was like to come in to an administration that's already six years down the road, five years down the road, replacing a secretary of defense who has become controversial in that period. and then if i ask us a second part of the question, which is you then transitioned into the obama administration because he asked that you stay on and you stayed in that cabinet for a couple of years. and perhaps if could for us compare and contrast the commander in chief leadership styles of those two presidents, 43 and 44. so when i was when i received a telephone on a saturday morning and laid october f