>> her lawyer is paula kenny. chairperson hur: i would recommend that we put this on our list of individuals we may want to sub peena to appear before us -- this session. i think hearing from her will help us figure out what evidence if any from ms. lopez will come in. >> i don't think you'll need to sub pena ms. canty. chairperson hur: can i hold you responsible for getting her here then? >> she doesn't really listen to me. but i can certainly request -- i can relay the fact that you requested that she'd be here unless there is some conflict in her schedule i'm sure she'll come. chairperson hur: i think we should put her on the list with a supoena. >> i can try to give her a phone call and try to get an answer if we have a break. chairperson hur: did you have anything in response? >> i think dwelling on when this rule applies. the question is when is the incident -- this question isn't so much how much time has elapsed between when the utterance was made. it's what was the mental state of the speaker. and there a