oh, let's get the mic here from -- >> paula stern. >> [inaudible] >> this really follows on i think, i hope. are there companies that you would not want to see participating even -- want to participate in the isac? >> interesting. >> this is state-owned enterprise, say, that may have large -- you know? >> yeah, that's a great question. >> how -- clearances is one way in which you would say no. >> yeah. >> so i'd like you to just help you understand how much information sharing was in this -- >> i'm going to pull this part in a couple of different ways because, marc, you deal with other big telecommunications providers. some of them are in countries u.s. may or may not have good relationships with at the moment. i'm very interested in the company-to-company basis how that goes, and then when we're looking at the isaus, how does it work when we say, all right let's bring in -- [inaudible] or let's work with these companies, these big chinese banks or the rest? i'm curious -- >> that's a great question. so for a sector-based isac we are sector-centric, so the water isa will be water com