david zirin is show on xm and author of a new book and paulo sotero is the director of the brazil institutethe wilson center. paulo, let me start with you to back up a little for context. when brazil got the world cup, was awarded it, it was a different time, right? it was power on the rise. >> yes, it was a very popular president, the economy was growing at about 6% a year, income was being distributed and there was a sense of possibility that this society continues to transform itself into a thriving democracy. but, yes, sometimes have changed. the economy now may be at this moment in a recession. there's a less popular president. the challenges created by the past success are much more complicated. >> brown: we'll pick up on that but david zirin, the other part of the context is the role of football, soccer in brazil, this tradition, it's identity with the country. >> absolutely. and paulo was correct. when the world up with -- when the world cup was awarded to brazil, there was an idea that brazil would be a world power and challenge the united states for economic supremacy of the weste