alliances between ukrainian and foreign defense industrial companies and now to we are joined by pavlo vertnatskyidirector and managing partner of the ukrainian company kosa, a member of the international working group on russian sanctions and co-coordinator of the working group on security and space issues of the american ukrainian american business council, mr. pavlo, we are glad to see you and hear you on the espresso channel now hear just a few minutes before you, you had a long conversation with demis longopol, who, you know, is a member of the supervisory board of the ukrainian startup fund. he said that there really is significant potential in the creation of new types of weapons, relying on the ideas offered by young companies. but it will be in a year 2,3 or more, a promising direction - this is precisely the cooperation of ukrainian defense companies abroad with companies that already have well-developed products that are really needed on the battlefield and literally yesterday on the initiative of the president of ukraine, at which he said that the first forum of defense industries will