unemployment and so when the government does make up their decision, we went from being, you know, low-wage payeeage. and when they get paid, we are not going to get paid. [ please stand by ] >> if we do not work, we are simply not getting paid. >> we get paid by the government generally. but the company gets paid. we to not get paid by the government. >> and, mike, you know, you have heard about the negotiations on all of. this the notion that this will be backpay but, really, this reaches far beyond the actual government employee, the one getting a check from uncle sam. >> yes, sure, and it is called a ripple effect, a multiplier effect as there were 800,000 employees in addition to those, like john, who have been furloughed or out and out laid off. >> and so even bringing them back -- >> yes, with the defense department you have over 400,000 people and house voted unanimously, friday, saturday, to give them back pay and today the president said that he would sign that bill and it was held up in the summit but there are no guarantees? the notion of the multiplier effect, help us to understand j