>> if you think back to the payne stewart incident when the famous golf pro who was killed some timen a -- what appears to be a similar situation, where the crew and everybody on board went unconscious due to hypoxia, they were considering actually as it was flying over populated areas of the united states of actually having a jet slowly descend on to the plane and shove its nose don so that the plane would intentional forced to crash, if in fact it was threatening a populated area. but at this point since the u.s. military is no longer in contact, it appears that it will most likely have to run out of fuel and then just plunge out of the sky, whether over cuba or into open waters is undetermined at this point. >> nbc's jim miklaszewski following the latest in the u.s. response to this situation. appreciate it, jim. >> all right. >>> we've got former nbc aviation correspondent on the line, bob haeger. thank you for joining us. first of all, tell us what comes in the response both from the u.s. side and from the cubans as well. >> as others have said, there's not much to do now but ju

that would be compounded tragedy. >> again, memories of the payne stewart crash.t lear jet that ultimately took the professional golfer to his death went down in a wheat field in the dakotas as i recall, fred, and dug a hole deep in the earth. we don't know exactly what happened to this plane when it landed and hit jamaica but we're told by authorities on the island that it crashed. >> leers are very sleek airplane. when that leer lost power with the payne accident, that plane hit the ground at a high rate of speed. this airplane would have had a propeller to slow it down a bit until the engine lost engine pressure. we don't know what happened. it is very, very sad. this is unfortunately the second time it happened in the last ten days. a single engine airplane at 21,000 feet. pilot lost consciousness and went right over washington, d.c. and out into the ocean. this is unfortunately the second time in almost two weeks. >> again, for those who might be listening, the plane lost cabin pressure. jetliners tell you about masks that will drop from the ceiling. in comme

the first thing that came to mind when i heard this was payne stewart, the golfer who died in a similar situation where the plane actually lost pressurization and was escorted to a field out in the plain states in the u.s. is that what happened here, that there's a depressurization in the cabin and the plane eventually crashes. >> it looks like that is what happened and it does bear remarkable similarity to payne stewart and five others o board that plane in 1999. something went wrong probably with the pressurization system, could have been a seal somewhere on the plane. could have been something with pressurization system itself, that tends -- that operates off the engine and gathers in, bleed air they call it from the engine and circulates and cools it and circulates it through the plane. could be something to do with that system or with a pilot's mishandling of the system. could have been something very quick or more likely something that came on very slowly and so that the pilots didn't even realize what was happening. and with that, with oxygen, starvation, what happens is that it

>> it looks eerily like the payne stewart accident in 1999, where the pro golfer, payne stewart's learjet we tracked it into south dakota before it finally crashed. unfortunately, it looks very similar to that tragedy. >> it looks like the pilots are unconscious for some sort of reason. this aircraft, are you familiar with this tbm-700 light business utility aircraft? >> i am. >> is it similar to a learjet in the sense you could lose oxygen and then you go into this kind of unconsciousness? >> it is a high-performance turboprop that's pressurized and can cruise at 25,000 feet. anything above 12,000 feet, you need to have pressurization and. if it loses pressurization gradually, it can easily disable the pilots and disable the passengers. they might not have even known it was happening. there haven't been any reports about any holes in the fuselage or something dramatic. so it most likely was a gradual depressurization. and unfortunately, this is not going to end well. >> because it looks like some other pilot may have been able to look into that cockpit and see an unresponsive crew. if th

>> well, it definitely reminds me of the payne stewart accident.nd in fact, if there is fogged windows. the interesting thing about this is the fact that someone had flown by and actually seen the pilot may have actually been moving inside the aircraft which would indicate to me there may have been some kind of physical thing with the pilot as well, like a heart attack or something like that. however, that doesn't explain why the windows would be fogged up. as though it was a rapid decompression. so it appears that the aircraft is right now at about 25,000 feet. now, the area of this aircraft, the tbn-900, has the capability of flying at a cruise of about six hours now. so the minimum flight time it would have, if it was fully fueled would be 4.3 hours. but now in this aircraft, it's a very new aircraft. it's been in play with the french military for many years. very reliable. it has a canada engine in it, pt-6, around in nearly every reliable turboprop in the flilt very jet stream. this is an aircraft extremely reliable. something has gone wrong t

you mentioned the payne stewart case. as an avid golfer, everybody was horrified as you have to watch payne stewart's plane crash that way because there's nothing that you can do. when you have a leak in the air -- i mean in the airplane through a window or something we don't know, then you literally succumb from lack of oxygen, which is the official name hypoxia. >> joy, we should point out another element that's actually quite interesting and fascinating, and that is that once this plane entered cuban airspace, the united states, of course, and cuba are still at loggerheads and yet there is this communication as relates to aviation safety and maritime safety. keep in mind the cuban government, the military shot down two private planes in the late '90s, brothers to the rescue. four pilots were killed. these pilots were trying to help people who were trying to escape cuba. so there is this animosity. and yet in this case it would appear that the cuban government thus far has allowed this plane to traverse its airspace. we

payne stewart had won the open. he was in florida, and they lost oxygen on board that plane and all of them became unresponsive. the plane kept on flying and crashed a number of hours later. thidavid, if it happens very slowly pilots just may not be aware of it. they get unresponsive. they get dizzy and at that altitude at 25,000 to 28,000 feet, you lose consciousness very quickly. >> lisa stark in washington, thank you. >>> the markets seemed to shrug off a surprisingly weak jobs report. it added 142,000 jobs the dow was up, and nasdaq gained 21 points and the s&p 500 rose by 10 points. ththe new jobs numbers creating 200,000 jobs a month. we're joined now with patricia. is this just an one-month glib, or what is happening here. >> reporter: adding 142,000 new jobs and well shy of what economists were predicting. the unemployment rate dropped because fewer people were participating in the labor force looking for a job, and that is not helping. as david mentioned prior to this report the economy created 200,000 jobs

reporter: the incident is reminiscent of the 1999 crash of the private jet carrying champion golfer payne stewart. when the learjet lost pressure, everyone on board passed out and died. federal sources believe larry glazer was piloting that plane today. he was an experienced pilot who had purchased a new tbm-900 earlier this year. scott, larry glazer and his wife, jane, are now presumed dead. >> pelley: the aircraft flew 1700 miles before it ran out of fuel. jeff, thanks very much. today's jobs report from the labor department shows that the economy created only 142,000 jobs in august. it had been averaging more than 200,000 a month. the unemployment rate fell tof 6.1%, but that was largely because a lot of workers gave up looking for work, and so are not counted as part of the unemployed workforce. and so for those who do have a job, there is yet another problem. michelle miller tells us wages are barely keeping pace with inflation. >> i believe we had one pay increase over the last five years. >> reporter: nick novello has been on the dallas police force for 33 years. like many americans, he c

in 1999 golfer payne stewart and five others died when their jet lost cabin pressure and flew for four hours before crashing in south dakota. in 2005, 121 people died when a greek airliner flew into a mountain after losing cabin pressure. depressurization is an urgent emergency, experts say. >> if it's an immediate or rapid decompression of the cabin, that requires the pilot to take instantaneous action. >> reporter: we don't know what happened. it could have lost cabin pressure with an engine problem or even a leak in a window or door seal. experts say they should have quickly donned oxygen masks and gotten below 15,000 feet as soon as possible. but they may have simply run out of time, brian. >>> tom, thanks. now we turn to a different situation involving a different aircraft, this time a charter flight with up to 100 americans on board ordered to land in iran. our pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski with details. >> reporter: brian, that headline alone, americans forced to land in iran, sent immediate shockwaves back here to the u.s. the flight is a private charter run by fly du

now, in october of 1999, when a similar incident occurred with the golf pro payne stewart and several others, they went into hypoxia, there was no response from that plane. but that plane was flying cross-country, across the midsection of the continental united states, pre-9/11 now and those pilots were prepared to actually settle their jet down on top of that private plane and push its nose downward and force it to crash in an up populated area. again, when you talk to some of these pilots, they say it's a heavy burden to think that you would purposely crash a plane with somebody onboard, not knowing for sure whether any are alive or dead. but quite frankly, it's something that they train to do. >> that would be a heavy burden. mik, stay right there. tom costello, let's bring you back in. do you have new information for us? >> nbc news has learned that in fact air traffic control was in communication with this plane, with the pilot at one point while he was at 28,000 feet. the pilot said that they had some sort of a problem onboard. he asked for clearance to a lower altitude. he was

payne stewart had the same problem flying from florida to texas and it coasted for hours before crashingn south dakota. everyone on board that plane died. it is still too early to say that is indeed what happened to larly glazer and his wife. investigators are still trying to find the plane. back to you guys. >> thank you. >>> president obama wrapped up a two-day nato summit at wales today addressing ukraine and the response to islamic militants in the middle east. the president says isis cannot be contained. nato members unanimously agree that they have to take action. secretary of state john kerry is heading to the middle east to enlist the help of other countries in the region to take down that group. >> it's absolutely critical that we have arab states and specifically sunni majority states that are rejecting the kind of extremist nihilism that we're seeing out of isil. >> mr. obama also says he is hopeful but skeptical about the cease-fire between ukraine and pro-russian separatists. nato is preparing a rapid response force that could quickly mobilize if a nato ally is attacked. >>>

. >> it reminds me of the payne stewart situation years back.o apple talk about their plans to launch the latest iphone iteration next week. the team of apple engineers are gearing up for this with an emergency response team should anything go wrong when consumers get their hands on the device. we are back with more to talk about this elite task force at apple next on "bloomberg west." ♪ >> welcome back to "the merck west." as apple customers get ready to unpack their shiny new iphones, leaks of apple employees are getting ready to diagnose any problems. these iphone first responders make quick fixes and alter the supply chain is made in act fast enough, they hope, to save the company millions in problems and reputational damage. this is really interesting stuff. >> yeah, it's an interesting behind the scenes thing that goes on at apple after these things are released. the first devices that are returned for some sort of litter problem come of they are given to a career and go back to the apple headquarters were the same engineers involved in de

it happened in 1999 to pro golfer payne stewart. he and five others died after the learjet they were flying in depressurized and it, too, ran on for hours and ran out of fuel and crashed. this is an insidious problem and pilots may not realize they're losing oxygen. they become disoriented and lose consciousness and at that altitude it does not take long to lose consciousness. >> labor department said today the job growth in the united states slowed down in august raising questions about the state of the economic recovery. real money's.ali velshi joins us with more. what does this mean? is there a seasonal reason why it was low, perhaps? >> reporter: yes, this is based on a survey. they call people up and find out whether they're working, august is a tough months. of the last 15 years 12 times august has been revised up. these revisions come for the next few months and the average revision is 30,000. if you add the 42, you're in the 175,000 category. that's still well below what economists are expecting. they were looking for 225,00

then there's the incident in 1999 where payne stewart and others were killed in aberdeen, south dakota. in that case, the plane traveled some 1500 miles, most of it while the pilot and everyone else on poured were apparently unconscious or dead. rene marsh, cnn, washington. >>> australian prime minister tony abbott says it is likely there are still remains from mh17 left scattered in fields in ukraine. he made those remarks during a meeting in kuala lumpur on saturday. malaysia plans to send teams back to the crash site as soon as possible and it reiterated the need for a full investigation into the jet's crash. >>> next, a reality check for icloud. apple says it's beefing up security following that infamous celebrity nude photo hack. >>> also, hawaii island is on alert as a volcano threatens to cut off a community there. you are watching cnn. >>> welcome back. some disappointing job numbers have been released in the u.s. 142,000 jobs were created in august. and that was far fewer than expected. it's also the lowest number of workplaces in, new workplaces, i should say, this year. but

in 1999 payne stewart and five others died when their lear jet lost cabin pressure and crashed in south dakota. in 2005, 121 people died in a greek airliner that lost pressure and crashed into a mountain. we don't know what happened in this case. they could have lost cabin pressure with an engine problem or a leak around a window or door seal. the jamaican and u.s. coast guards are resuming search operations this morning. it's highly unlikely anyone survived this crash. folks, back to you. >> tom thank you. a developing story now in ukraine as part of a cease-fire deal pro russian separatists in ukraine could begin exchanging prisoners today. the two sides have been involved in a five month deadly conflict and audiotape greed yesterday to put down their weapons. international monitors will supervise the prisoner exchange this weekend. president obama has said if the rebels do not hold to the cease-fire, he's ready typical pose more sanctions on russia. it's possible sanctions against russia are just one of the topics "meet the press" moderator chuck todd will cover when he sits down wit

bob, what are we seeing in the payne/stewart flight comes to mind here. >> that's so similar, back in 1999. i remember we were on the air all day that day, for four hours while the plane flew on kind of ghostlike and in that case, they also scrambled fighter jets up and they looked at the plane. they could see the windows were frosted over indicating it was very cold inside which is a sure sign of lack of oxygen. oxygen depravation. they could see, again, in that case, the pilot slumped over the controls. so this came down very, very much like that. you can't tell what it is that caused that oxygen depravation in the plane. you know, could it have been a seal somewhere on the plane? something wrong with the air circulation system? the air comes in, bleed air off the engines, to keep the oxygen supply replenished inside. so things can go wrong with that. we just don't know yet. >> what happens when a plane becomes depressurized? >> well, the oxygen leaves so the pilot -- if the pilot realizes what's happening in time, there's supplemental oxygen on most planes and there surely was on t

eventually that plane crashed into the atlantic ocean, and then there's the payne stewart incident in 1999 in which the famous golfer and five others were killed when that plane crashed near aberdeen, south dakota. in that case, the plane traveled 1,500 miles, most while they were unconscious or dead. christi? martin? >> renee marsh, thank you so much. let's talk to rob waldman, waldo, i guess he likes to be called. former air force fighter pilot as well. >> let's talk about this oxygen deprivation. how common is this problem? >> it isn't very common, but we definitely train about it in the military. civilian authorities, not as much. the key is to recognize it early. the symptoms are insidious, so you don't know that you have it. by the time it takes over, you may not be able to aviate that aircraft and could potentially crash, which is what happened here. >> when i asked about what happened here, i think what was interesting, when you listen to the transitions, one, he did not declare an emergency. he seemed to be very calm. saying we need to descend around 18,000 feet. we have an i

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>> reporter: the incident is reminiscent of the 1999 crash of the private jet carrying golfer payne stewart. when the cabin lost pressure everyone onboard passed out and died. larry who piloted the plane was an experienced pilot. he purchased the plane new earlier this year. larry and his wife jane are now presumed dead. >>> a u.s. plane is now in the persian gulf nation of dubai after being forced to land in iran iran. the plane was chartered by the u.s. military to afghanistan. 100 americans were on board. the normal flight path is over iranian airspace but there was confusion over the flight plan. it was allowed to depart after several hours on the ground in iran. >>> three wildfires are forcing hundreds of people to flee their homes in northern california. nearly 700 homes and businesses ordered to evacuate friday near yosemite park. it's already burned up to 300 acres and is about 10% contained. in western oregon firefighters are up against high winds and rough terrain as they do batter with a brushfire in corvallis. about 200 people have been evacuated. >>> a private service for comed

golfer payne stewart and five others died when their learjet lost cabin pressure. in 2005, people died in a greek airliner that lost pressure and crashed into a mountain. we don't know what happened in this case. they could have lost cabin pressure with an engine problem or a leak. they are resuming search operation this is morning. it is highly unlikely anyone survived the crash. >> thank you so much. >>> greg is a former investigator with the ntsb and joins us this morning. good morning. >> good morning. >> we are looking at this, trying to find the wreckage. what would investigators be focused on this morning? >> right now, in lieu of not having the wreckage to examine, they have to look at the air traffic control tapes. that is their best right now. that is what we know is factual. what they are listening for is any kind of background sounds when the pilot was communicating to see if there were oral warnings that would give away what the pilot was experiencing as far as the problem he told air traffic controllers about. >> what we have learned over the past day

and then there's the payne stewart incident in 1999, the famous golfer and five others were killed when that plane crashed near aberdeen, south dakota. in that case, the plane traveled about 1,500 miles, most while the pilot, copilot and passengers apparently were unconscious or dead. christi, martin? >> wow. thank you so much for the info. >>> and we spoke earlier with a retired air force pilot about the possibility of losing oxygen in the cockpit and what pilots can do to protect themselves and their passengers. >> there's a gauge in a cockpit that shows pressure altitude. it that's wrong, you know something's up. so the key is to descend immediately, then don your oxygen mask if you thought there was problem. if you delay, by the time the epoxia happens it can be too late. don your mask and then declare emergency. the key, aviate, navigate, then communicate. if air traffic controllers are not giving altitudes you need, take action. they're clear everybody out of your way if necessary. >> let me ask you this. we talk about how insidious this is. in other words, it can creep up on you.