as soon as you say the word amtrak, people just -- >> pba. >> okay, pba. interest bonds. so it changes some of the architecture of the governance and decision-making process. but it still doesn't really resolve the funding issue, because it's still buried in the appropriations, federal authorizations and everything else. >> to an extent. >> to an extent. that tends to drive us toward the third model, which is the ansb, the fully privatized model because of the way you can go out and seek capital elsewhere rather than having to go through uncle sam to do that. but the question i have, and i'm going to start with marla is, is there another option that's kind of a hybrid where we can have the architecture, we can have the decision-making and still create a line of funding that is not subject to as much handling on the part of the government? >> i don't think any funding model like that has ever been demonstrated to work in this country thus far. i mean, we've had a number of trust funds. we have an airport trust fund that was not actually created to pay for the entire system

the bill first passed in 2001, but attorney general greg abbott said change some things, snore pba patrickuld move to repeal it. if we see a repeal, could this be devastating for the republican party as outreach to hispanic voter are? >> i don't think you'll see a repeal. i think you'll see more in line of what general abbott said. if there's corrections to be made because the body -- the house and the senate, which are going to be very different this cycle -- decide to do something and compromise is reached, it will be an amended situation. i don't think you'll see got away. >> what about you? on the ground what are you hearing from people on this specific issue? >> obviously on the ground you hear individuals that have utilized it and -- but i'm with aaron. i think general abbott is going to be more open to it as far as, like you said, don't end it but mend it type of scenario, and i think -- i was working in the leg in '01 when its passed, and tip my hat to governor perry at the time for promoting and it for signing it into law and what have you. but i think at that time it was a very,