and they've done a great job at deploying significant levels of pbn. and they are reformed. i'm not exactly sure which model. >> government corporation. >> thank you, government corporation. that tension between the regulator and the operator, their version of the ato, there's intense tension there now, to the point there's, depending who you talk to, they're ready to revoke the certificate. from a modernization perspective, if the funding is stable, are we deploying the technology on a systemwide basis at the right pace. and so what i'll tell you is if you look at their highest density hub sydney, my understanding is they're not as aggressive there as they are at the spokes. there are certainly things we could do better, faster, better and faster. but we have to be careful not to rush too far forward. so my point there is that both stable funding and a reformed relationship between the nsb and regulator, doesn't guarantee success when you transition to high technology. >> i want to follow up a little bit, too. if it's okay, sean. >> go ahead. and then i have a question for

pbn. they are reformed. i'm not sure which model. but -- >> government corporation. >> government corporation. that tension between the regulator and the operator, their version of the ato is there is intense tension to the -- depending who you talk to, tt to, they are ready to revoke the certificate. if the funding is stable, are we deploying the technology on a system-wide basis at the right pace? what i will tell you is if you look at the highest density hub, my understanding is they are shy or not as agreagressive as theye at the spokes. there are things we can do better and faster. we have to be careful to not rush too far forward. my point is that both stable funding and a reformed relationship between the nsp and regulator doesn't guarantee success when you transition to high technology. >> i want to follow up a little bit, if it's okay? >> go ahead. you go and i have a question for marla after that. >> all right. sometimes it's easy to blame congress on funding issues. but i also think when we started the process of next didn