you know strike about how we look at those projects to our point a 660 third, that could be used for pdr i think converting it into office we know we're close to the cap we've got projects down the road we can be more selective even with those projects coming before us over the next quarter prop m has not effected our thinking in the allocation but be more diligent knowing we have projects will that will fill the gap in the future. >> sxhoifksz if we don't set criteria i think don't go to sooner or later makes sense i wasn't aware when a project came to make changes around until the gentleman said i'm still new at this 6 months is too late maybe january. >> sorry. >> it sounds like early after the first of the year january or february. >> check back in. >> okay. >> okay anything else okay. thank you commissioners that will place you on item 10 for case 2014 office conversion controls and landmark buildings to the planning code amendment. >> good evening, commissioners steve with the department staff conversation around pdr has it relates to landmark buildings in the g districts this is a

the pdr space is at a premium we've are heard other presentations about the pdrs space in demand it'slmost impossible economically to build new pdr spaces the numbers are not there. >> together with the unsolved issue of disparking garage pdr and looking for one to one displacement that's a dissuasion it's a vacant site not involving days placement but pdr. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. 3 things i think when we do calendar our next hearing i'm fine with it being in march of 2015 one of the items to tomato take up we are talking criteria in sort of the theoretical type what we'll favor if we did have to get to the point of making a choice that's a good subject for that and the other thing i'd like to see a list of projects i was thinking thirty months was a reasonable that's 2 and a half years over 2 and a half years from their approval that have not move forward we didn't have to do anything but know what their and what the status and the prospective of moving forward why anything some be revoked but that would be i think it a good pretty by that time have capture of additional c

uses by non-pdr use in the south of market area acknowledging the pdr use requires a higher rent this legislation will exempt the following areas and promotions from the controls we're introducing one the c-3 zone district, two proposed projects that compromise one hundred percent of the affordable housing as defined and 3 properties containing any of the following pdrs uses gas stations and storage we know that better use of the sites and 4 projects under the administrative native code sections we know that the 5 m project is a major project is currently undergoing negotiations for development and finally projects that have simpleminded an environmental conversion where they're allowed on or before 20th of september in the pipeline that this is moving forward while giving notice to promotions that have not submitted viably environmental those plans will be in place for 45 days and renew those into the selma plan actually, it's finally adapted and the process a project 66 third street was approved at the planning commission in order for those interim controls to conform with the proje

you could go by percentage it would open up the use of the building some are cool you see airbnb not pdrs but they use the building vertically and stacked up in the building split i think there could be interesting and cool conversions if it were by conversions and not by floor. >> if i could speak it is for a manufacturing space we've reviewed and approved projects with design and manufacturing so it is looking at how do you make those spaces function correctly this is going to pure office uses not as officers asia accessory to other manufacturing use so i'll say the historic tools are more effective. >> i understand something was pointed out how we may be the logical way it effects other decisions in the centralize corridor with other buildings maybe that are outside of this particular project in the area we act on now will set the course and maybe we're on the right course i don't know that's it. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. thank you you know one of my concerns i think that is well intend it has a lot of benefits but i asked the gentleman for the maps and i still 0 am not entire

south of market you've eertd harder is a rich neighborhood with a mix of uses and this is pdr is an important mix this is highlighted a couple of weeks ago when kilroy mandatory they'd be purchasing the flower mart and one of 5 wholesale markets in the nation it will prevent any presidio use in the selma plan as the city engages how to include all the variety of uses that our city would like to see in this neighborhood we know that pdr spaces and jobs you know that pdr spaces and johns provide an important vehicle particularly for our working class community because they provide the jobs for the city that may not have the higher education even a couple of weeks ago i met with a variety of associations i've heard from many members that have family members that worked at the flower mart and concerned about the flower mart moving to oakland their coming out of the housing balance and housing production compromise with the mayor's office and my office engaged in over the month of july we know that growth is a positive for the city bringing in more revenue for office and residential unit

the issue, and, secondly, related to that we're the lastly concern just a general concern about the pdr uses in the south of market we're in the midst of doing the selma plan, which we believe the draft e.r. is out in 2016 and we are looking in the context of that plan at the possibility of a one-on-one replacement policy in the pdrs if they're required and replaced whether or not on site or off site we're looking at a variety of alternatives the trend t is not only they're they're real jobs but a real demand for pdr space for the multiple trend in the last couple of years growing small businesses in the city and having a hard time finding it we're looking at that in the central selma plan just wanted to give you that update thanks. >> commissioners questions for the director and i have a question for director ram. >> when the flower mart when was it started post world war ii. >> steve might know that. >> it's been before world war but in the current location 50 years. >> there's no decision about landmark status it has a lot of history. >> tim frye planning staff it's been surveyed so

project it helps to defray the costs of pdr space at least 1/3rd of the space and pdr about one one hundred and 50 square feet this is a the birthing pdr space delivered by the private sector in 20 years the pdr legislation it was approved by the board of supervisors and this commission i'm here because we've hit a roadblock with the project that is the policy saying that the planning department will not calendar office projects for approval until there's a new policy i think that is it good to take a breather and evaluate new policies but the numbers in the past reports shows there's no shortage of office space until next year there is 3 million square feet for allocation and 7 thousand square feet of new projects asking for that by the end of this year pursue all of which so is there's no immediate need for square feet they should be considered on a first come first basis basis and that is your currency policy i ask you to allow uber to move forward thank you. >> sue hester i was the attorney for san franciscans for free while david was the president of the board i'm talking about

i'm john over link with the tack 0 group the dialog about pdr a burning issue i want to share with you the proposal for permanent pdrs depiction controls we hope the commission about apply in the south of market neighborhood starting with the central selma rezoning next year you know howe how important 24 issue is and the flower mart in particular is a burning issue of the day our proposal would require that all of the service arts and industrial district the current district that includes the flower mart a one for one replacement that might be demolished 0, however, rezoned in the future and in the current deserve e service like the s l i which includes the 668 are thirds project you acted on last month our proposal is what you did that 50 percent of the building would be retained permanently as pdr or arts also arts is also sip anonymous with the pdr we that i made an excellent decision and proposed that you make a gentle policy in the zoning area and the mirror i can't do of districts we proposes that one fourth 25 percent of pdr that currently exists as of record be retained or in

interested how we can remember the original use of that pdr a company and whether that be by designating plaques or some kind of i don't know signage to let the people in the historic building to let them know pdr are in usage i'm kind of thinking out loud you don't know i don't want people to forget how important it to the city. >> tim frye i think that's an interesting idea especially, as this commission mandates the imprisonment so it maybe not looking at the types of office but the architecture and the community and the neighborhood and awning the folks that were employed there so that would be something if you want to include that an interpretative mandating be in there we'll entertain that. >> steve planning department staff maybe that happens as part of the landmarking process that speaks what's insides the only this legislation said you're going to have a pdr building at the end of the day and plans have changed it's hardly to say this moment in time is the more and more most important time we make the landmark at this time say this is the reason and it wouldn't be included in th

pdr that stance for the buffer that buffers the industrial use i don't believe that industrial use t is allowed. >> it addresses my concern. >> thank you commissioner johnson. >> thank you very much i'd be willing to amend it to the board of supervisors looking at it i definitely my intent was knowing the board of supervisors rule they change the legislation, however, he wanted to enter that conversation i felt it was left out altogether and no one would talk about that if you have a cu process if things become problematic down the road where breweries are competing with the pdr type of spaces the only way to adjust is to change the planning code changing legislation for the cu process we don't have to approve cruz until we see a great project i wanted it to be a discussion to i'd be willing to amend my motion to what we're approving but the board of supervisors consider a cu process. >> accepted. >> thank you. >> commissioners, we have a motion and a second to death penalty a recommendation for approval and recommending that the board of supervisors consider the cu process for type

holding land space hoping for hire rents and i'm sure you're aware of some pdr spaces are converted to office pdr generated $2 plus p is secret in office space so weigh seeing a lot of illegal conversions and we need a comprehensive plan to protect pdr in san francisco we're happy about the moratorium to protect our businesses in san francisco. >> thank you very much. next speaker. excuse i'm david silverman working with the local families with the building on 660 third street for several years to obtain their scombiements e entitlements specifically for a historic building in a historic district i'll vote in support of the amended language of the ordinance and appreciate the opportunity to speak thank you. >> next speaker. >> good afternoon, members of the board peter we fully support the moratorium are the enter controls and thank you supervisor cohen for being a supporter this takes me back 12 years with the internet boom with the lighting industry and the earn neighborhoods obey displaced it took the interim controls time to stabilize the plan for the controls to be put in plasma a

pay attention to light industry we're paying attention not only to preserve we're going to build for pdr light industry space and utility the economic strengthen and michael it is another pledge but one we also will be happily to come back to the center and say it started here but more industrial spaces guess what the most thing people love in san francisco especially, when we win the world series or hosting the america's cup or dad and mom force and open world is what is made in san francisco we can access and purchase because we know that with the talent in san francisco we needed something fresh and real original and originally made and designed very logical to made in san francisco is a huge marketing play that is famous around the world and even the people here in this community the people working at the southeast community center working in the bay area they know that we have a world breakdown can sell it very well and create more and more jobs maybe in san francisco local manufacturers and light industry not only t is faster and popular it is essential for the cities to pay attent

uses and the creation of new pdr and the green building designs or other measures as you see fit there is a third option we touched on that a little bit with the performance period the current policy with the planning commission and this department was adapted in 2009 during a down economy where there was a number of office projects approved in prior years were not able to move forward because of the finance issues the planning commission has rescued the staff not to bring those projects back if past the 18 most so long as they were active you may want to adapt a policy with no competitive pool it's a case per project but a stricter criteria where after the 18 months it's brought back for and a a hearing about the active state thought to make sure the spaces are, in fact, being used so those grafts are updates of the graft with current numbers as you can see basically we're not going to allocation anywhere within two weeks but if using the projects in 2015 and 2016 we'll allocate basically a little bit more than 3 thousand square feet that deposits us down in 2016 to less than - each h

matsuda i like our idea i want to make sure in the minutes that we consider taking a discussion of pdr issues relative to landmarking that we consider. >> well, it's a good time we'll have the historic report with the landmarking that's a good time to - and i want to make sure it's in the minutes. >> investigated xhirthdz there is a motion and second to adapt a representation for the approval with the mischievous as corrected commissioner johnck commissioner johns commissioner matsuda commissioner pearlman commissioner wolfram president hasz so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 6 to zero and places you on item 8 the civic center landscape inventory for disapproval finding of the inventory. >> good afternoon, commissioners department staff that is the inventory or oc i has the landmark district say it district includes a 15 block area i'll show a map a 15 block area roughly by golden gate avenue and market street and the plazas here we go it's bounded by gunning avenue market street and franklin street the district was designated under article 10 of the planning code

it's a in his no more that san francisco only focuses on the tech industry clarification and growing pdr has been a priority not only for myself and affirmation administration and maxwell i was going to call but president lee and mayor ed lee larger ways of the reasons he compounded upon earlier this is angle industry that is protecting and growing fwlu collar workers pdr spaces hire people without education and they employ local san franciscans do >> the city of san francisco sfgtv meeting of the san francisco ethics commission occurring october 27, 2014, will begin shortly. >> >> good evening and welcome to the regularly schedule meeting of the san francisco ethics commission, we will begin by taking the role. vice chair renne. here. >> hayon. >> here. >> keane. >> she is taking this down and i don't think that she needs to do this part. >> the first item is public comment on the matters appearing and not appearing on the agenda that is within the jurisdiction of the ethic's commission. >> good evening, commissioner hur and commissioners. i'm hoping when you go into closed session, on

there just have been a number of issues, you know, the pdr office conversion and some of these biggerngs like the civic center, inventory, things like that, it garners a lot of conversation and we don't even get, we don't even have a bullet point about, you know, what the conversation was about. so, you know, and then with mr. fry and the director there's, it's pretty much verbatim what they said and that seems less important. the report seems less important than the discussion of salient, you know, salient projects or something. so that's where i came down. but i appreciate very much the challenge it would be. >> commissioner wolfram. >> actually i just had a question about, when did we start doing this verbatim description in the beginning is pretty new, right? what did we do before? >> it is relatively new, commissioner wolfram. i appreciate you noticing that. you may recall that i was fortunate enough to hire an assistant and a manager of the commission affairs and christine lamiranda has been striving to make our minutes from the office consistent and so it's something we provide

the legislation clarifies how the pdr to office conversion works that we then encourage the supervisors to --. >> because i also think that would reinforce our role, especially to someone like supervisor cohen, where we're not -- i think commissioner wolfram said it best. we should be doing what we do, let the planning commission do what they do and let the supervisor's office do what the supervisors do. so our role is really in the role of the landmarks program is very much first and foremost in the public's eye about what we do. we create landmarks. i mean that's what the department and the hpc, you know, is known for and we've often talked about how few landmarks are getting approved every year. well, here's one where the work is done. so i really feel like that would be a great way to at least put another one in the news and it will be in the news because everyone will know the building, of course, so it will really put the hpc in front of the process of we're landmarking, we want this building to be a landmark for the city. >> commissioner johnck. >> well, it would come back to us

office building at that end of the project and we have over 1,000 square feet of unique zoning called pdr state and which is production and distribution and repair and really a very complimenting use for this area. and where we are sitting right now is going to be a public park, and probably one of the most exciting parts of this project and it will be open to the public and we will have restaurants and coffee shops surrounding it and it should be really unique and special. one of the most meaningful parts of this development has to be the valley, which is just behind us. as many of you know that the valley has significant social heritage to the lg btq community. and there are nearly a 2 million dollar investment by the city to improve the (inaudible) valley will insure the preservation of the history and the significant improvement to one of the most well known streets in the city. and just like western soma, we believe that the community will be a greater sum of all of its parts. >> in order to pull off a development like this it takes coordination and kaor ration with the city and the

piece of legislation proposed by supervisor cohen in regards to allowing for office conversion from pdr uses in landmark buildings. the commission had many similar comments to the hpc and unanimously recommended approval of the proposed legislation with the modifications that we discussed here. there was some public comment suggesting that there may be other methods for limiting the office conversion but the commission remarked that they felt that the vertical controls that are outlined in the proposed legislation was the most effective tool for enforcing the requirement rather than a percentage of the floor or another method of calculation. so that will be the proposed leg will be forwarded to the board of supervisors and we will keep you updated on its progress. that concludes my remarks unless you have any questions about the planning commission. thank you. >> thank you. seeing no comments, move on. >> commissioners, that will place you under commission matters item 3, president's report announcements. >> no report. >> item 4, draft minutes for october 1st, 2014. >> commissioner pear

>> es interesante, ilia, le pregunte eso presidente del pdr el partido al que estÁ afiliado el gobernadore dijo hoy. es difÍcil que un hombre tan combativo como el gobernador guerrerense hable de renuncia lo que se podrÍa traducir en que is tiene quÉ hacerlo no es que lo obligaron, sino que Él mismo ofreciÓ irse del cargo. al fin del dÍa son palabra de polÍticos, ilia, eso hay que leerlo entre lÍneas seguimos como parte de la cobertura por supuesto maÑana con la luz del dÍa podremos saber mÁs datos de lo que en estos momentos siguen trabajando los peritos de la procuradurÍa de la repÚblica y las fuerzas armas. >> gracias, la comunidad y los familiares esperan que los jÓvenes aparezcan vivos. >> amigos y familiares como estudiante de la escuela normal rural raÚl isidro burgos participaron en una protesta frente las instalaciones de la procuradurÍa general de la repÚblica en mÉxico. realizar una velada por los estudiantes asesinados tambiÉn exigieron a las autoridades que los 43 estudiantes normalistas desaparecidos del 26 de septiembre sean presentados con vida. >> los familiares del pacie

review authorization and item case intention to initiate the department zoning map to rezone a map to pdrnd item 5 case at 2527 request for discretionary review authorization - conditional use authorization any public comment for items on the consent calendar? okay seeing none, public comment is closed commissioner antonini yeah. i think i'd like to take mission street off because i have questions about the project seems fine i have questions about the basic policy involved. >> okay. >> very good. >> commissioner fong approve to item 3, 4 and 5. >> and on that motion commissioners to approve item 3 and adapt a resolution for intent off the calendar commissioner antonini commissioner johnson commissioner moore commissioner hillis commissioner fong and commissioner president wu snoement 6 to zero and we'll hear item 5 at the beginning the calendar that place you under commissioners comments and questions. >> commissioner antonini. >> go giants i had one other thing in addition to that the last 6 weeks or so i'm almost at the end i have a daily treatment down at the end of san francisco i co

me, i'm happy to support in amendment i do think it's a slight one and looking especially at where pdr is going this is may give us an dictation a indication for the conversation commissioner antonini. >> yeah. i have a question for staff where the laughing monk located what's the address. >> laughing monk diego with the staff on 1439 gengz and ed group. >> okay. thank you i know there are a number of other craft breweries in the area one that is larger speak easy italy outside of the zone. >> its outside of restricted location. >> and my final question is with were there to be other craft breweries this legislation applies to them also. >> yes. that's the intent and i'm very supportive of this as pointed out in the staff report a similar thing was done for a winery it is not the intent of the legislation as i understand was to minimize a number of new bars or facilities selling retail alcohol without licenses this has food service and beer tastings and that fits together an off sale so it's benefits far out weigh the fact it will be more alcohol i'm supportive. >> commissioner johnson

except with compromise in removing wastes waste in the bathrooms continuing the strategies we've using pdr that stangz for the time technology it is a big fancy word for a water probe we have a probe to stick into my landscape and it patrolling measures the water in the roots system to calculate the actual water that's need and no more so we're going to use that throughout our parks and golf courses and established a 10 percent restrictions in our capital projects we've noted it this to our contractors so they're pursuing the same goal and also four our concessioners with the 10 percent goal and how they can help us achieve that public education continues in your recreation areas or public restrooms where people gather to help us reduce the water uncle a reduce the shower times and ask them to report the leaks through 311 and for the previous discussion about the hospitals with shut off values you'll find those in rec and park or down at the marina with the birthing so all hospitals have been retrofitted to make sure they have shut offices and then feinstein open the short time conservatio

nouns the district and more analysis would be helpful and the light standards i believe the eir for the pdr doesn't have the integrity and it shows they do it's confusing. >> commissioners tim frye department staff it there maybe another way to look at this in terms of the intent we already have a designated district and know that district is at the federal and state level those are individual components it is not we have the examination but the strict retains it's district e integrity it provides for information like this body in like those light standards at the came in the future to remove you'll have this background information to determine whether or not the what the appropriate treatment is there and just to follow up you know the light standards were looked at in continuity from van ness and market street all the way to fisherman's wharf this looked at the light standards and specific how they relate to the signify center landmark district that's why there's a slight difference so from the boarder complexities rather than the component of the sire which is why it's called an inventor