and we have to agree that the pedophelia cases are linked to t and the rumor that the gay sons of the irish families would end up priests and how did they manifest their sexuality? i would say the urban myth but it is there. so you know it is a hard balance to sue press your sexuality it is not a holy situation based on that. that is why we have the pedophelia cases it is a terrible rule to have. >> and because like we think back to the middle ages somehow they were able to stay celibate and not have all the scandals. the real difference is communication. back then there was none and you could run a boys choir and do what you wanted to the kids and it would not get into the newspaper or twitter or anything of that >> and in america it's famous the former president of pair gay was the priest and he had kids galore. it's known that the priests were not celibate. >> but you know, celibacy, the rule of celibacy is not part of the dogma it is a tradition. >> it started in the third century? >> the middle ages. and there were priests that were marrying. and popes that were marrying. this is