they say that they are going to be pedophilia know all the pedophiles go to the child porn sites.dy who goes to that site. the government in london would know who they are immediately that would sketch down the awful problem of child pornography and pedophilia. immediately scech it down, janine. isn't that worthy? >> well, it may worthy doesn't mean it's correct. >> bill: you would rather have that child pornography. >> no, no. >> bill: not going to be able to contain it. >> no, i don't want child pornography. if there is a drug dealer living on your street, that doesn't mean they get to come into your home. and our fourth amendment is explicit about this. you have a certain home. >> here is what everybody has to think about. leslie i'm directing this to you. right now in the world, children are being abused because they are being brutalized sexually, we are just -- geraldo is working on -- texas coming up. web sites. and pay money to see it and the police can't stop it. all right? with a law like this. they would know every single perverted doing that. they would immediately know

has this been linked to sexual abuse or pedophilia? >> no that i'm aware of. histrionic personality has certain character structures to it. over emotionality. some issues with sexuality. there is no connection that i'm aware of in regards to that diagnosis and sociopathic behavior, pedophilia, anything related to that. >> you also obviously have not examined sandusky personally, but, does it make sense to you if he had this thing, that he would be able to maintain this job have a long successful coaching career, be married to the same woman for decades? does it fit his profile? >> sure. with any type of moderate to severe character pathology, you won't see it just apply to one issue in your life. you'll see it pervasive over everything. you wouldn't expect if somebody has problematic relationships, superficial sorts of relationships, that in one area of their life they can handle it perfectly but in some other areas it's completely path logic. patho logic. that wouldn't be consistent with, say, for example, histrionic pathology behavior. >> how damaging is thi

a rape that take place, pedophilia. blanch's character is associated with a 17-year-old boy and homosexuality. those three issues you couldn't put on screen in 1951. >> you are honoring the film version in the play. one of the critiques that are coming out, that somehow because there are black people in it, it's not what tennessee williams originally intended. what do you say about that? >> i'm an american, i'm an actor, this is a play and we're doing it. the same words that are on that page are coming out of my mouth with respect for these people. if it's making people come out of their seats, great. if it's making people give a standing ovation every single night, great. if it's enough to bring people back two and three times to get an extension, even more great. so i think that our presence always has ruffled feathers, no matter what we are doing. >> we are multicultural. we have white brothers and sisters, latino brothers. it is multicultural. i heard people say, tennessee williams would be turning over in his grave

and then after the recent events are around the pedophilia scandal and the way the church responded or did not respond to those events, and the continued attacks on women, i said to myself one day, this far and no farther. i stopped going to mass, and it was painful for me and it was painful for my family. i just could not ratify their behavior and their decisions anymore by shelling out on sunday. tavis: in the 45 seconds i have, one of the things i agree most with in the book, you make it very clear that we will not find salvation in stuff. >> it is true. a look at the shopping spree we went on during the '90s and we are looking at all that stuff in storage facilities and say, why in the world did i buy this? tavis: you know what a great writer that anna quinlan is, have done no justice at all to her text. "lots of candles, plenty of cake." a memoir of one of the best writers the nation has ever known. thank you for your time. that is our show for tonight, you can,ou ra -- download our app in the app store. as always, keep the faith. >> for more information on today's show, visit tav

. >> we punish pedophilia, we punish incest, we punish polygamy, and various things. it's only homosexuality that is lifted out as an exemption. if there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act. they shall surely be put to death. >> pretty offensive comments according to many. and i made comments yesterday that ended up getting a lot of traction out there yesterday not only on twitter but elsewhere. and i want to be very clear about what my comments were about. i want to be very clear. when i said that incest and pedophilia involve people who don't have a choice, victims who don't have a choice and then said a gay relationship you do have a choice, they are not crimes. gay people involved in relationships are not committing any crimes at all. however, those who perpetrate incest and perpetrate pedophilia are committing crimes. i don't know my comments were taken in that light and i certainly hope they were, but in no way did i want to suggest that being gay is a choice. it is not a choice. i probably us

its part working with law enforcement agencies to enforce its own network and crackdown on child pedophilia in recent months anonymous has been instrumental in breaking up child pornography rings on the internet just like the last october excuse me the group claimed it took down more than forty child porn websites and released the names of more than fifteen hundred members of those sites as r.t. dot com recently pointed out anonymous might be better at policing the web than any of the government agencies paid billions to protect children but anyone who is familiar with anonymous knows anonymous isn't exclusively interested in exposing pedophiles the last few years since anonymous has crept out of the darkest regions of our internet the organization has been behind a series of brazen sometimes miss civitas and often politically motivated attacks on high profile internet targets. those include attacks on the church of scientology back in two thousand and eight high profile attacks in two thousand and ten against amazon pay pal master card and visa shutting down their websites as payback for t

. >> that to me was already a form of pedophilia. >> absolutely, 100%. >> i have three sports mad sons. if any of them had said to me, one of my older teachers is having naked showers with me -- >> and we hug a little bit, we soap each other up, what's the big deal? it's a massive violation of personal body boundaries. it is somebody who is in serious trouble. if you notice one of the doctors that evaluated him said he saw serious psycho sexual problems. >> michael, we had a conversation about this, you suffered abuse when you were 8 years old at a camp. this kind of case for anyone that's been through this must bring back the sharpest of emotions. what is your feeling seeing somebody like sandusky being convicted? >> you feel vindication. you feel you finally may get it. what happens now is he becomes our abuser, because we see a sandusky person that abused us that was never brought to trial or put behind bars and we've been carrying the burden of our sexual abuse all these many, many years. and i'm so worried that if he was found not guilty, you would find another generation of child

. >> we have to understand very specifically that pedophilia is separate from child molestation.t refers to the genuine sexual interest for some reason and we haven't worked out the details yet. there are some born with a genuine sexual interest in children. they didn't ask for that. nobody asks for that. that just seems to be the case. that's very different from child molestation, which is a choice. they can't control what they're attracted to, but they can control what they do with those attractions. >> so, someone was born that wa to and they can't help themselves, but that's not to make excuses, either. >> exactly. they're not responsible for what they're attracted to. they appear to be born with it. they go through a series of brain studies, both in a whid research group and others that they're born with slightly different brain anatomy and the differences are not the kind that emerge over a lifetime. they seem to be the kind of differences where whatever the chain of events it is, that chain began before birth. it really had -- any choice they made. what they do with those

>> there is no doubt it is a personality disorder, but it is called pedophilia. that is not a legitimate defense in a child sexual assault case. it is not an affirmative defense. it is not accepted by the law as whether it goes to the guilt or innocence of the person. it will be up to the judge to decide whether it is an acceptable medical condition and if it is, he may allow it to go before the jury. it is not a defense to the crimes. it is really just an excuse. really, when you look at the testimony of the victims, there is no excuse. it may explain away the letter, but that letter is very consistent with the testimony. it shows that sandusky knew that he was wrong, that he knew it was for sexual gratification and he was continuing to try and keep those victims within his circle of trust and try and control. >> kathleen kane, thank you for your time. >>> we are following breaking news on capitol hill. eric holder wrapped up a heated exchange with lawmakers on the committee over leaks on the national security committee. one called for holder's dismiss dismissal

. >> that is a form of pedophilia. i have three exports mad sons.f any of them had any time, heading toward their teenage years, if any of them said to me one of my older teachers is having a naked showers with me, we would head straight to the head teacher. >> what is the big deal? it is a massive violation of personal body boundaries. it is somebody who is in serious trouble. one of the psychiatrist said i don't see his personality disorder but i see the a possible problem of psychosexual problems. >> we had an emotional conversation a few days ago. you suffered a bruise on your eight years old and when you were reliving it with me, you got very emotional. understandably because this kind of case that anyone has been through, this must bring back the sharpest of emotions. what is your feeling seeing somebody like sandusky be convicted? >> you feel vindicated. you feel they get it. finally. what happened is he becomes our of the is it. because we see sandusky is the person who abuse does. never brought to trial, never put behind bars. we have been

because the jurors are now going to know a name for something other than pedophilia that jerry sandusky. it doesn't mean he's insane. it just as a different label. i think it would only enhance the prosecution. i see the jurors just looking at this and just shaking their head. >> if jerry sandusky couldn't handle bob costas on a mobile phone, how could he stand up to cross examination that would come if he took the stand? >> i think -- to use a football term here -- the only thing that's going to happen here, they need a hail mary. if you look at the testimony presented especially thursday afternoon, the final victim coming forward saying he was in the basement screaming as if it were soundproof. then the trial ended for the weekend. those jurors are going to be thinking about that all weekend long. they're going to hear those screams. i think the defense has to do a hail mary. that may mean putting sandusky on the stand. i think the jurors will want to hear that. >> doesn't that also preclude mrs. sandusky being the hail mary. that the testimony that was offered, that ghastly testimony

people don't present to a psychologist or a psychiatrist who have a history of ped feel pedophilia andson this is incompatible with the sandusky scenario is you put the graphic up about attention-seeking, it's a condition of shallow relationships. this is a person whose legacy is defined by the substance of his relationships, not their shallowness, his substance as a coach, his substance as a father, his substance in a successful marriage, his substance leading a charity. it is incompatible with the shallowness of relationships of histrionic personality disorder. again, he's on trial for sexually assaulting in private, not for an attention-seeking sexual assault. so his alleged crimes are all about what he has been doing privately, secretly, away from view, not calling attention to his sexual deviance. so his life and history is incompatible with the diagnosis that's a bit of window dressing on love and romance to divert attention away from grooming behavior and how he relates to children to control them. >> paul callan, you were saying, this is not standard in pennsylvania to allow th

some of the patterns that would fit for pedophilia that make you feel like sandusky, you know, "lovesites these letters, is around them all the time is something other than pedophilia. the problem with that is that the state, the commonwealth is going to be easily countering that this particular disorder is mostly for women and is not used in this fashion. and in fact, may be removed from the dsm in this next outcome by the forensic psychiatric community not even recognizing this anymore. >> and thus your qualification hail mary pass. but to you, wendy, if the defense is saying there's a personality problem, are they admitting guilt? >> well, not really. i mean they're not going to say, yes, he did it and here's why. that would be a problem, obviously. no, i think they've got -- this is a nutty, not to be funny here, but a nutty disorder that has roots in sexism, histrionic is used to pathologize women. and here's the thing, if you have this kind of personality disorder. you don't only have it toward little boys. and that's the problem. he wasn't doing this to women and grown-ups arou

here, he's being accused of pretty much the worst crime a man can be accused, pedophilia.miling at the accusation. it just -- that's not going to help his case. that's for sure. and i think it's shocking behavior. i agree with sara. i read the accounts of amendola's losing argue he did a very, very good job. yep, the defense attorney. he gave the jury a lot of things to think about in their deliberations. >> thanks very much, sara and paul. >>> out front next what did george zimmerman show police the day after he shot and killed trayvon martin? >>> and the french president is caught in the middle of a love triangle that may have actually decided whether france is going to go the way of austerity or spending a whole lot more money. no matter where you go. no matter what you do. when you're living with moderate to severe crohn's disease, there are times it feels like your life... revolves around your symptoms. if you're tired of going around in circles, it may be time to ask your gastroenterologist about humira. because with humira, remission is possible. humira has been pro

there's nothing in it that has to do with pedophilia or anything else.say sandusky acts inappropriately to get attention. so that's why he did this. >> but with children, it doesn't make any -- >> well, not only that, it's not a defense. this is not insanity. criminals throughout the united states have personality disorders. that doesn't make them innocent of the crime. you have to be insane to be innocent of the crime. >> right. >> this is just an excuse, it's not a defense. >> especially since they're pleading not guilty, not giving excuses for the behavior. i'm not a lawyer, but that seems like your case isn't very good. >> i'm betting the judge won't allow testimony about this disorder to come into evidence. >> his lawyer indicated something that he could take the stand. should he? will he? >> he said, you will hear from jerry, jerry will say -- he said it repeatedly in his opening statement, amendola. suggesting he'll take the stand. i don't think it's going to take the stand. amendola will play videotapes of him telling his story. he knows the pros

. >> and i -- you know, i'm not really into, you know, pedophilia or this might be -- this is probablydered that. and i know this is probably going to be on "dateline," too. so go ahead and put it on. >> well, you know who i am. >> yeah. >> i'm chris hansen. with "dateline nbc." i understand. i recognize you from the voice. >> and everything you just said and done has all been recorded. >> okay. >> and if you have anything else you'd like to tell us, we'd like to hear it. >> i'm just saying, you know, i shouldn't have done it. i mean, this is something i normally don't go out and do. >> i want you to be honest with me. if i wasn't here tonight, and a young girl was who was alone and willing to have sex, what do you think would have happened? >> probably would have happened. >> probably would have had sex? you would have gone ahead and done it? >> probably, yes. i mean, i can say honestly yes, it probably would have if she would have, you know, said, hey, let's go for it. >> and you don't see anything wrong with it? >> yes, i do see things wrong with it, but i have a lack of judgment. >