he thought pedro arrupe, the spanish general of the jesuits was a liberation theologian.hen john paul was elected, i went to cover that for "new york magazine." i talked to the head of the jesuits then. pedro arrupe had a stroke and vincent o'keefe, the american assistant, was the acting head. it was one of the reasons why the pope did not allow the jesuits to elect their own leader after that. he told me, o'keefe did, my first meeting with the pope as the head of the jesuits, i said to him i don't have your experience, your office, your depth of theology, but i do have a very close association with a number of priests who have left and want to be still of service to the church, to belong. the pope was not saying they left in their good graces so they could not be communicants. the newly-elected pope looked at me and said no, they broke their oath. that is, again, shooting the wound rather than healing them. charlie: there is a question that many people have been so conscious of -- sexual abuse in the church. garry: that is a tough one. i know advocates and victims of sex