to talk about the financial issues surrounding that recovery is pedro pizarro.nt and ceo. thank you for having me. alix: why are you on the hook? bero: it says utilities can held fully liable if utility equipment was involved in the cost of the fire, regardless of fault. was that utilities be able to recover costs from customers from that. the infrastructure is out there. government can recover from taxpayers heard there was a case last year that the public utilities decided for cost recovery was not provided. that broke the chain in terms of being able to get recovery. we are working with state agencies and the legislature to pursue ways to clarify that. it could be a court decision or legislation to verify. alix: what is the worst case scenario? o?n. thune bero: if we continue to liable, that could make a hard time getting capital in the market. year int $4 billion infrastructure to keep lights on and keep it safe and enable reduction.push for that puts in parol if we don't have a fair framework. alix: are you trying -- put that in peril if we don't have the f