wedgwood put out a piece and they said pegasystems broadening its market opportunity. we're not surprised they showed up on salesforce.com's m&a target review. you guys are different, so it would dovetail theoretically. >> perhaps it could in theory, but i think as flattering as it is to be considered -- and it obviously says something of people being interested in us. i think this culture of merger and acquisition in software has been highly detrimental to frankly the long-term prospects of the industry and to the customer who take advantage of the software. >> explain that because most of these companies have bsh i mean oracle has bought so many companies. salesforce is not alone. >> i think oracle is a much better company. if you go back to when larry ellison hadn't hired, you know -- >> you're willing to say -- we're on air. you're not fearful? >> well, you know, one has to be cautious appropriately, but i don't think there's anything other than the truth in what i'm saying. the reality is once oracle was a software company, and it's since became an investment bank