the "wall street journal"'s peggy noonan described the arc of the president.he debate on the president's case for a second term. next. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. megyn: one of the most read items in the "wall street journal" is a peggy noonan article that describes how far obama has fallen. at one point she writes quote he had confidence without the full capability an gathered around him friends and associates who sea toward him and who were tall ended but maybe not quite talented enough for game they were in. they didn't get the country so well. joining me to discuss it, mike gallagher. we are also trying to get alan colmes hooked up. she has been critical of mitt romney as well. but this devastating piece on president obama where he went

measures across the country and we'll tell you where, but first, i'm joined by wall street columnist, peggy noonan, why do you think that mitt romney lost? >> i think that already we know some of the usual suspects even days after the election, the get out the vote effort on the democratic side was, appears to have been a master piece that will probably have impact on national elections going into the future. republicans have a lot to learn there. and there have been demographic changes in america. at the end of the day, i think my surprise about the election was that it was not so close in a way everybody was thinking we'd be up until four in the morning or counting ohio votes for two weeks. that didn't happen. this was a solid win for the president and i think the republican party has much to think about here going into the future. >> paul: thinking is always good. and maybe a step back and give at least some time to think. you wrote in the column, the republicans don't need to change their fundamental principles, belief in small government and so on, but maybe the way they present the principle

megyn: peggy noonan joins me now. welcome back.r thoughts. >> megyn, i'll tell you i think we are living through one of the great political moments of modern american history. this is really big it appears to be really close. we'll find out in a few hours. but i'm fascinated by the number of people who follow politics for a living who very actually and honestly don't know what's going to happen tonight. so that just kind of fast united nations me in general. megyn: you write in a column posted yesterday that you had a conversation with john dickerson of cbs news. he said to you before the last presidential debate he thought maybe the american people were quietly cooking something up, something we don't know about. you wrote, i think they are. and i think it's this. a romney win. explain that. >> well, i just got a feeling and i have had it for a little while that something is going on out there. maybe the best way to explain it to myself in a way in the last 24 hours has been all the data i get, all the anecdotes and one distinguis

we will ask wall street economist peggy noonan next.iz: uncertainty builds about the tax treatment of dividends that may come to pass in 2013. we've got somebody who is running toward one of the high yielding segments and he says may be the best investment out of their postelection. and we want to hear from you. log onto facebook.com/afterthebell. tell us what is the best investment out there right now. david: wrapping up this extraordinary political week the oil opposition still shocked at a president who failed on so many fropts to deliver the kind of economic recovery he promised could win re-election but he did. and answering how he did is something few republicans seem to be addressing clearly without bitterness. one of the exceptions is former reagan speechwriter and current "wall street journal" columnist peggy noonan who joins me now. >> good to see you. david: broad stroke, why did obama win? >> you know the larger reasons. america's changing demographically and culturally. you know, the technical reasons with regard to a reall

we'll start with peggy noonan of the "wall street journal." dee dee myers of "vanity fair." richard lowry of the "national review." harvard university's david gergen. and our own john dickerson. then we'll talk to stu rothenberg of the stu rothenbe rothenberg political reports. allen stanford of the university of virginia center for politics, democratic pollster anna greenberg, and republican analyst leslie sanchez of the impacto group. and our own cbs news elections director anthony salvanto. we're coming to the end of the campaign 2012, and we've got it all on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: good morning, again. most of the country is looking forward to election day, or at the least, looking forward to the campaign being over. but in large parts of the northeast, it is still the aftermath of the storm that is in the forefront of many people's thoughts. at least 110 are dead, more than 2 million are still without power. close to 1 million in new york city alone. 80% of new york c

peggy noonan of the ""wall street journal"." david gergen of harvard university. dee dee myers of "vanity fair." and our own john dickerson. election 2012 is in the bookes, but the story is just beginning. and this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: good morning, again. on this veteran's day. and we begin with senator graham who is in clemson, south carolina. senator, thank you for coming. you are on the armed services committee, of course, so i want to start out with this out-of-the blue thunderbolt that hit washington friday concerning david petraeus the c.i.a. director. he resigned, saying he had exercised bad judgment and had an affair. cbs news and several other agencies have now confirmed that the f.b.i. got on to this after a third woman told them she had received threatening e-mails from the woman he has reported to have had the affair with. so i guess i would just simply start, do you have any additional information to any of this? >> no, not really. i was just

matthew dowd, david sanger, joe klein, peggy noonan. david, let me begin with you.rmish between israel and hamas over gaza. you wrote that it in many ways it was a warm-up in a potential conflict between israel and iran. >> that's right. as you saw the hamas missile attack on israel began, israelis trying to figure out what capability that iran had. because it was iranian missiles slipped in gaza. those were the one reaching towards jerusalem and tel aviv. they weren't enormously successful in that they didn't do that much damage. iron dome program turned out to be pretty effective not only in shooting down missiles but determining missiles that they shouldn't even target. because they were heading to sea or no population. that was a message to the iranians, if that thought they would manage to get these missiles into the gaza or into lebanon in the stealth cuban missile crisis, in fact, they would be significantly less effective. on the other hand, the iranians also learned a few lessons from this. they learned what the israeli capability was. the big question goin

peggy noonan two days or even one day before wrote this crazy column.tell who's going to win ignoring like 245 polls over the last four weeks. >> stephanie: right. >> caller: which painted a very specific picture about who was going to win. she starts off the column nobody knows, it's a mystery, we were all in, you know, then she goes based on vibrations. >> stephanie: vibrations were telling her romney. >> caller: and she so you long lines in florida she had decided that mitt romney was winning. now she is writing for the largest newspaper in america the wall street journal and basing her election prediction on vibrations and these weird anecdotes. it's an absolutely -- a lot of people have been talking about disclosure of the right wing media and all these people woke up shocked when mitt romney lost because they watched fox news, read peggy noonan and watch rush limbaugh. the question, now there's this grappling within the conservative movement, maybe the media is doing more harm than good. have you been reading media matters for the last eight years

. >> so that's one perspective and listen to peggy noonan who has a different thought. >> oh, i'm sorryi have to read the quote, excuse me. i thought we had-- that's because i love listening to peggy, but i'm going to read it for her. hopefully i'll be able to rise to the occasion. >> she says what it needed is mag nimty. not about him, his party, about self and one's deepest, and suggest in subtle ways to help them save face and quietly that you're not the best negotiator and neither were they. the nation faces a real challenge and there will be economic repercussions in handling this, kimberly, i think this is-- >> you like the levin approach? >> totally forget it. >> it sees much more clear. >> stand for something, and say, yeah, we lost, and examine it, how can we get this done better. they spent between the romney campaign, super pac, alludes to a president with a failed economy, horrible unemployment numbers and shouldn't have been that difficult. >> and the republicans do revert back and try and say that we should try to get everyone get along and that wasn't president obama's ap

might have a decent second term. >> paul: that's the thing, the question that i was talk to poei peggy noonanbout, is he going to be magnanimoumagnanimo. >> i wouldn't expect-- but he does have a vested interest in getting some things done in a second term. and some of the things i'd buy and some things i don't. he talked in the acceptance speech about getting-- getting us off of foreign oil. how? >> you know what that means-- >> that's what he means. >> and i would predict this, you will see floated during this term, a carbon tax idea. but something like immigration reform i think he could be serious. >> and you think that republicans-- kim, would republicans be willing to work with the president on immigration reform? there's a lot of bad feeling from the first term on that because of the way the president attacked the arizona law and tried to make republicans looks like they were anti-hispanic. >> that's right. and i think some of this will depend on what lessons the republicans take out of this election, demographically as we were talking about, whether there isn't some self-interest to t

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i agree with peggy noonan, that you're not going to know until later where the blame and such falls. to the point of the economy, i think it's very important-- there are some basic past statistices, important thing-- 1800 people a day are losing their homes in foreclosures. you have these families very concerned about financial stability and taking care of their parentes, taking care of their children. these are the ones that are saying these are the policies of president obama that put us here. i like him personally but i don't necessarily agree he's going to be part of the solution and he has yet to offer one word of solice or solution that gives them that relief. that's why the momentum, i would do you mean with election of 2010, is with republicans, closing gap in colorado, in virginia, and in ohio. and that's what's tilting it. >> schieffer: anthony? >> on the point about the economy and bipartisanship, it's interesting. even on what might be objective facts, we see a partisan split. most democrats think the economy is doing okay. most republicans in polls say it's bad. they can

going to continue the discussion with peggy noonan and david gergen, adding dee dee myers, who was the press secretary for president clinton, is now a contributor to "vanity fair," and our own political director john dickerson. david, i want to go back to you. someone was just saying your twitter feed-- >> dee dee made that point. i want to make clear-- i'm not condoning what david petraeus did, nor what the woman did. you know, but i do think that people are human. we have worked for human leaders ourselves, dee dee. and we understand that people ought to be sort of-- take it in context and understand when people are human they make mistakes. some of our greatest moral leaders have done that. there's just a new book out about thomas jefferson and his weaknesses he experienced in life. and yet he was a great leader of this country. what i do believe is that we should see it in the larger context and that is general petrace has given this country distinguished service for over 40 years. he has put his life on the line on a continuous basis. he was nearly killed in service earlier on. an

peggy noonan noticed this. the republicans across the country gone from anti-obama to pro-mitt. you don't get the crowd, enthusiasm, the goosebump commercials. i am not deep in the weeding on numbers but i think it's important. one other thing. thing that is impressive about america this time around in the presidential cycle that is negative. we all thought during the primary that mormonism, and romney's religion would be a really big deal. the obama team hung back from that. that was at the president's direction to his credit. we had a debate about who would be the best man to lead a.m. it wasn't about their religion. >> all right. >> bob: can we talk? >> greg: yeah. go for it. >> bob: i want to point outer rick's numbers if you will, he is not going to win iowa or new hampshire. they're in the bag. it gets back to ohio. one other point here, there are three states that automatically trigger recount. colorado, pennsylvania, florida. excuse me. ohio. 1% or less triggers them. ohio 1.5% or less automatically triggers. if you get less than 1%, less than 10,000 votes you can reques

>> well, our colleague peggy noonan, says you want to keep your friends close, but your president closer. i think certainly, mr. christy is dealing with had an emergency and trying to get help as soon as possible. there is a sense that these kind of situations will make people turn and embrace big government, but you're already seeing a lot of of flaws in the federal response, fema not getting a lot of these generators that they promised online quickly, so, i don't see any kind of a national move toward bigger government as a result. >> paul: kim, the other big story this week is that the romney campaign has been expanding the field. the electoral field moving into pennsylvania with a very big ad buy much bigger than the obama campaign and even talking a little how the fact that minnesota could be into play and the president was in wisconsin, and close to campaign in iowa, places where he should, you think he would have locked up. do you take this expansion of the field seriously? >> yeah, and i think that this is part of the momentum argument for romney, now, you've had the obama campai

. >> that was peggy noonan yesterday, still beating up on mitt romney and his campaign for losing theerson the republicans are not willing to attack publicly any way is new jersey governor, chris christie, who filed the papers today to run for re-election in 2013 and is now the republican front-runner for the nomination in 2016. the chairman of the republican governors association was quick to issue this statement about christie's decision to seek a second term. christie exemplifies the type of leadership new jersey residents expect from their governor. jindal goes on to heap praise on christie. jindal was one of the prominent republican attackers of mitt romney after mitt romney's big loss. and a ppp poll done this month in new hampshire finds chris christie leads the pack for his party's nomination in 2013. he has 20%. condoleezza rice at 13%. jeb bush, 11. paul ryan, 10%. joining me now is jonathan capehart. welcome to what i believe may be our very first 2016 republican presidential sweepstakes segment. we've seen some grumbling and saw some at the time, who were grumbling about c

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because, in fact, in reality an opposed to a gut feelings and from the after life or whatever peggy noonanictions would be wrong. >> caller: there was no stress or nothing. the data was so clear. we talked about this before the election. of course people want to be scared. they want to worry. there is a lot of at stake, so there is reason to. behavior for those that submerse themselves in the numbers you just sit back and wait for the election results to validate what you've been saying for a whole year. >> stephanie: oh, those are democrat-leaning polls. as it turns out there is more of us as rush limbaugh said at the election we're outnumbered right? >> yes and it wasn't so much just the poll numbers. the poll numbers were good. no doubt about that. but now we have this thing called early voting. people are turning out and voting weeks before the actual election. in north carolina, for example they break down the early vote by race, by sex, by age group and so we didn't sit there and just say we're winning because these numbers are saying it. i was looking at that early vote and i was se

karl rove predicted -- peggy noonan oh she borrowed diane sawyer's chardonnay.t romney. uh-huh. he described nate silver as a man of very small stature a thin and effeminate man. newt gingrich, remember that. romney landslide. romney will take 53% of the popular vote. my personal guess, frankly -- >> he did go on cnn yesterday and said i was wrong. >> stephanie: wow! >> yeah, i hate to do this but i give credit to newt gingrich for walking it back. >> stephanie: well, what else can you do? >> well i know -- >> you cannot go on cnn. >> yeah peggy noonan isn't going anywhere to say i am wrong. >> i'm so upset about it i'm going to divorce my current wife. >> but newt gingrich is still looking for a job. it's awesome. >> stephanie: no, but that's what they were saying we have two sets of numbers now, and math, and they want -- it's almost like they were saying -- dick morris will still have a job because they just want people who will make them feel better. >> and i think they were trying to influence the outcome. >> stephanie: yeah. >> prognostication. >> stephani

peggy noonan said all signs pointed to a romney win. dick morris. listen to this. >> in florida "the times" says obama will win by one, but their sample has seven points more democrats than republicans, so that poll is off by a factor of eight. so instead of obama winning by one, romney would win florida by seven. in virginia they have obama winning by two. but they have eight points more democrats than republicans, and historically there's one point more republican than democrat. that's off by a factor of nine. romney wins ohio -- wins virginia by seven. >> so you are standing by your prediction of a romney landslide? >> absolutely. romney will win this election by five to ten points in the popular vote and will carry more than 300 electoral votes. >> we're talking about a real phenomenon here. you have people like neil newhouse, not just right wing crazy people, who were saying this election was in the bag. it was going to be a glorious victory, overwhelming victory. smart people all saying overwhelming. what was their world view that convinced th

thrown at them and they're all saying romney's going to win this, baby, george will said he would, peggy noonan, karl rove said he's going to win it. everybody said he's on a winning campaign strategy, everything's working and now they're all instant, i don't know what, st. paul on the road to damascus and that road is crowded, these converts. your thoughts. >> there's a personal tloefl this. the fact is none of the other republicans liked mitt romney and he didn't do anything during the campaign to endear himself to them. he attacked them all in the primaries primaries. this is kind of the revenge of the clowns here. he knocked them off one at a time, sort of knocked them over in iowa and elsewhere along the campaign trail. that's one. two, his campaign was based on the negative, based on the idea he would have to win because president obama was so bad. there was no philosophy to it. mitt romney's campaign was kind of the end of the line of the conservative era that began coherently with ronald reagan in 1980. mitt romney was the ultimate remainder man. that's why they have an easier time of d

. >> for others like "the wall street journal"'s peggy noonan, it's poster board.here is no denying the republicans have the passion, enthuse, independent are breaking for romney and the thing about the yard signs. in florida a few weeks ago i saw romney signs not obama ones. conservatives have been whispering something big is happening and under the radar groundswell of support for their candidate that escaped the attention of pollsters. they cite romney's crowds 30,000 in ohio, 28,000 in pennsylvania. >> i'm looking around to see if we have the beatles here or something to have brought you. looks like you came just for the campaign and i appreciate it. >> the obama campaign and democrats prefer to stick to the raw numbers. gallup's tracking poll which showed romney with a five-point lead a week ago has shrivelled to 1%. the last "washington post"/abc news tracking poll of the cycle shows the president climbing to 50%, his best showing since july and six-point swing from a month ago following the debate. the obama campaign is playing up its slender advantage in th

. >> the thing is, and i think it is true that -- i know peggy noonan likes the grand er and everything grand, but the senate isn't so relevant. this being a budget and tax bill they can do reconciliation. this is a house problem. the difference is that tip o'neill actually had influence with his caucus. john boehner has precious influence with the part of his caucus the most recalcitrant on these issues. in the current lame duck congress john boehner still has the same problem, resistant people who will not go along with a deal so the question is, whether or not he can deliver even the 20 or 25 votes he needs if pelosi did what she always does and delivers her caucus and how much boehner can stomach of this being a primarily democratic deal that he has no shaping and, you know -- >> and isn't that -- i mean we talked earlier in the week about paul ryan being deputized being part of these debates, we haven't heard from him yet, but michael he has not made an appearance yet so far. we know cantor has sort of been on the sidelines too but ryan sort of -- this sort of statement that he was

campaign bus calling mitt romney the stench saying, tell stench i'm having finger stand witches with peggy noonan will text him later. have you had stories like that where people actually took it seriously and it got spread around as if it was real news? >> oh, to an astonishing degree that happens. really almost every day something like that happens. maybe not on that large of a scale, but, yeah, a local newspaper, you know, there will be 100 facebook comments under one of our stories from people who think it's real. >> the state government media of iran. >> exactly. the government of iran for god's sake. it just happens a lot. so at this point it doesn't really faze us. it's just sort of like throw another one on the pile. >> my favorite one in this book was about james polk, one of our former presidents. it creates randomly this story about how nobody believed james polk had been elected president. secret service would routinely escort him out of the white house. will, do you have a favorite entry from this book, one that really stands out? >> well, i don't know if i have a favorite. there's o

. >> that was conservative columnist peggy noonan giving her take on gop election losses. for a while it looked like the tea party would have its best year yet in 2012, the party that first brought us birthers and just this week impeachers could have made big gains on election night. yet voters just said, no giving several high profile tea party candidates the boot. but even after its influence wanes, the tea party has already left its mark on american politician. a fellow at the university of texas and a contributor to nbc latino. and i should note to our viewers she is on a four-second delay. welcome to you. in your recent latino.com column, you write, quote, as in any party, there will be the stragglers who stay on until they are either kicked out or pass out. the same goes for the tea partiers. at the national and state level tea partiers will keep hanging on. but the critical mass has dwindled. do you really think the tea party is over, and do you see a come back in the next few years? >> mara, what i see is the tea party rager is over. again, there are those die-hard

peggy noonan, whom we both like, she wrote this before the election. "now if i know anything about the real america, you know, the real america is coming together. we're --" and the real america did come together. and it wasn't the one they thought was there. >> you've been tough on those pundits whose chief claim to fame is that they know something so special, that their predictions are more credible than the rest of us. george will, michael barone, dick morris all predicted a landslide for romney. are any of them likely to pay for being wrong? >> that's the why bookies are sort of morally preferable for pundits. the bookies have to pay. and i guess i have been heartened, i was heartened by at least the initial reaction in right wing pundit world, that some of them seemed shell-shocked, as opposed to being in denial and saying, the election, the win for the progressive side generally seemed to be so profound, that they were able to kind of move beyond what they would've preferred to say, which i think somehow this is all a fraud. somehow it didn't rea