is peggy noonan right, are we tuning out the president?hink you have peggy noonan fans behind me, some are republicans and tuning him out. we don't have a lot of of faith in what he's doing and tuning him out. stuart: i'm thinking 1, 1 1/2% growth when we get the number, that's pretty weak? are you square with that, 1, 1 1/2%? >> i've got no problem with that number, we'll get more qe. and we're not going to see higher markets. with the trader down here, you want to be long when you get a weak number and sounds like we will. >> larry levin, thanks very much indeed. it's monday morning and the opening bell has rung and trading has begun. a slight down side bias and we're off 13 points right now. still at 15-5. >> first out of the box, saks, the luxury retailer getting bought and they're thinking almost 3 billion in cash and saks going up because they are being bought. and remember, please, saks was making money pick on friday. if you watched him, you'd be making money now. and amazon, shares on friday and the company is going to announce it

. >> if you read peggy noonan -- i can't spend the whole time on this.ad peggy noonan's thing, she said -- i'm going to read this, darn it. this is this guy lerner's senior adviser. okay? and this is the transcript. reque did lerner say whether she agreed or not? "she said it should go to the chief counsel." question, "the irs chief counsel?" answer, "the irs chief counsel." now, that's part of the transcript from peggy noonan. >> the irs chief counsel? what does that prove about what the irs chief counsel did? i'm missing something, my good friend larry. >> we'll go to mark simone. >> we've got to o'prove it is the obama description. that would be great for everyone. i'll tell you why. if that's all it is, you can vote them out, probably solved. if it's not what it is it's systemic and it's all through the irs it could take decades to clean that up. >> jennifer, you get a shot at it, one whack at it. >> this is a continued problem. you have the political opposition of the sitting president targeting somebody and they tried to blame it on low-level emplo

i want to salute peggy noonan for not only sticking with the story and trying to find out what happened but also explaining it in a clearer way that shows that there was white house involvement and there seems to be. we need more investigation into this and it is an uphill battle with the media. >> i wonder, though, jim if there is -- a problem, though with labeling things as scandals when there may -- maybe they are not scandals. i think that everybody has sort of gotten scandal fatigued over the years so they question well, okay, you are calling eight scandal. you are a politician. of course you will call eight scandal. >> fair point. lois lerner took the fifth. that's not a good sign. carter hull, the outgoing irs official, testified that -- linked to washington headquarters. previous segment we said the media were flat on the president's speech. one part they did pick up on reliably was the part about the phony scandal outlined he played earlier. i think the media said -- that's our excuse now. we are with president obama and jay carney. nothing to see here. media caravan moves on.

more from the roundtable joined by george will, peggy noonan, former counsellor to the obama treasury department, steven rattner. and katrina vanden heuvel. let me go back, the president is not going to negotiate over the debt limit, but it's going to work out. the white house is betting that the republicans are going to cave. >> the republicans know this is a weak lever to move the world. the debt ceiling always gets raised. what interested me about what he said was, he's looking back and saying the recovery is as bad as it is, and it is bad, is what happened in the summer of 2011 over the debt ceiling. that's pretty -- >> that did hurt confidence, didn't it? >> let's look at the recovery, george. now in the fifth year of a recovery. there are 2.2 million fewer jobs than there were in the pre-recession. four and a half years in now, and after the recession of -- of 1981, '82, we were back in 12 months. 31% of americans 18-35 are living with their parents. that ought to scare parents. >> that's one of the reasons the president gave the speech. he said he wanted to break this destructi

. >> i totally agree with the media have not been on board and i want to salute peggy noonan with stickingstory but also explaining it in a clear way to show there was white house involvement. there seems to be. we need more investigation into this. it's an uphill battle with the media. >> rick: i wonder, jim, if there is a problem with labeling things as scandals when maybe they are not scandals. i think everybody has sort of gotten scandal fatigue. they question it, you are a politician, of courser going to call it a scandal? >> fair point. but lois lerner took the fifth and carter hull, outgoing irs official testified it went to washington headquarters. in the previous segment we said the media was flat on the speech in galesberg. the one part they did big up is the line that you played earlier. i think you said that is excuse now. the media caravan moves on. >> we still don't have clear data on the suggestion by the left they were targeted in some proportional way, as well. i want to understand that as a citizen. >> here is how you know it's authentic. article two of impeachment agains

what do you think about peggy noonan? top of the john boehner sizzle running out a bit early and the american people tuning out a president that wants to talk about the economy? >> this eventually happens to most presidents, bill. i can remember lyndon johnson making speeches on vietnam as public support was ebbing away for that conflict and the speeches would command attention. the president always has a big megaphone, a big press corps ready to hear his every word. he can get on national television, big stage. after a while these presidential speeches become a depreciating asset of and i think the president has reached that point. as most presidents eventually do, particularly with intractable problems that they are not able to resolve. and certainly the sluggishness of this recovery, which began early in his presidency, is a problem he has been unable to resolve. bill: that is interesting. you wonder if in a second term, you get past the midterm elections. then you start to slide toward less relevancy. you think about

rush limbaugh, peggy noonan. et cetera, et cetera. why were you specific about using the word loyal in the dedication? >> guest: well, in sort of crisis that i went through, the onslaught against me, some people went out of their way to be supportive, and some just went -- and if you really defected, became somewhat antagonistic so i wanted to show some recognition to those who have been supportive. because for the latest system works and this is not confined in the united states, when that degree of official is focus on a person, there is the intent by those targeting him to ostracize and isolate him. so all those, since i was writing about the united states i thought i would focus on americans in that. all those who resisted that, army of the once there tended to visit me when i was a guest of the american people, including henry kissinger. i thought it's the least i could do and i was proud to do it. and i have many american friends, those and others, and i'm grateful to all of them. >> host: what's your next project directory noth

i know "the wall street journal" peggy noonan is taking issue with that, saying with this hodge podgehes, almost a distraction. look at what she had to say, then i want to get your reaction. >> when the white house calls it a pivot, somebody counted up, said it is probably the tenth pivot to the economy the president has done since he came in. i notice in one of the speeches it went over an hour. there was a heck of a lot jammed in. that told me something. it said we're not sure exactly what to say, so we're going to say everything but a speech about everything is a speech about nothing. >> criticism for the president and for his administration is you can call things phony or try to outtalk their longevity. >> there's two things to think about. one, some suggested the president is trying to change the subject from the phony scandals that have been taking so much, getting so much attention in washington, but the other thing is the president has as peggy said periodically returned to the economy after drifting to other issues. i mean, all the polls still tell us that the american people

. >> peggy noonan write on friday that the inclusion of the washington office beyond cincinnati was a bombshell. is that in and of itself significant? >> it is because it shows what the information that we are getting, both from the white house and from the irs, is not true. when they tell thus was only mapping in cincinnati and find out that it is -- not, that -- untruthful must certainly questions all of the answers we received both from the white house and irs on this issue. it gives us the importance of going poured. it is also questionable so many say this was not politically motivated. when you target people based on their political beliefs it is absolutely politically motivated. this certainly targeted conservatives and tea party groups and those of which trying to oppose the president and now we have an obama appointee involved in the chain of command here. we certain sly to continue and get to the bottom of this. >> i want to make clear some liberal groups say they were targeted as well. what do you have to say about that? >> george said the initial evidence he received did n

i think as like a national scandal this is now limited to the voices in peggy noonan's head. [ laughteroges. >> right? who is this really? >> stephanie: oh, my god really? discuss jell-o pudding pops. >> this was prejell-o pudding. how long can you tread water? somewhere out there the cos is laughing, because i'm sure he listens every morning. >> stephanie: oh, yes. my friend we are out of time. we are at a hard break as they say in the business -- >> as they say in the new york mayor's race as well. [♪ circus music ] >> stephanie: oh, you not one in. as bill cosby would say -- [ mumbling ] >> stephanie: exactly. okay, twenty nine minutes after the hour -- >> ten thousand blue [ inaudible ] under the table. >> stephanie: right back on the "stephanie miller show." ♪ compelling true stories. (kaj) jack, how old are you? >> nine. (adam) this is what 27 tons of marijuana looks like. (vo) with award winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines. way inside. (christoff) we're patrolling the area looking for guns, drugs, bodies ... (adam) we're going to places where few others are g

it's interesting to see kathleen parker and people like peggy noonan who will pile on a female leaderthis is a very interesting phenomena. women are usually the first to pile on to other women. >> they're certainly the first to pile on. and the fact that these are seasoned women who don't really have to worry about a woman's right to choose piling on a woman standing up for a woman's right to choose. >> men should care about the issue no matter what side you come down on. >> men should not care about the sanctity of sperm over the women's right to choose so much, and there are too many republican men that need a refresher course and a manual as to how reproductive rights work and a woman's vagina. >> i'll leave that to you. if you want to put together a manual, knock yourself out. >> you've heard enough republicans talk about how they think the woman's reproductive body works to prove -- >> i think you're talking about very damaging comments that republicans made about inappropriate rape. >> sure. >> is that what you're getting at? >> correct. >> a topic that never ceases to entertain

peggy noonan wrote a great piece a week or soing a about the affair in england and it was a huge scandalhe dropped out of public life and turned himself to charity and wife and his family, ended up being honored by margaret thatcher at end of his life by being humble as he was. have we lost that honor in our society, dr. keith? >> i think we have lost it in a haze of internet pictures and post es. shame is the victim. if you're celebrity that's all you have to be. notorious is as good as honored in many spheres. look if anthony weiner wants to come forward and say this is my sexual orientation, i'm a sexter, that is who i am, people could judge him and make a determination and his wife could judge him. he doesn't want to be want that. he wants to be mr. inside and mr. outside. that doesn't work because you can't trust such a person. martha: great to hear from all of you on this. david webb, leslie marshall. dr. keith. >> take care, martha. bill: a medical mystery in half a dozen states a rare virus making a lot of people sick but where is this coming from? we'll ask dr. siegel about that

. >> and of course peggy noonan called her a young lady. wendy is 50. >> oh really? eferred to her as anything but a mean girl. she tweeted women will not be bullied, just murdered inutero. >> is that a small town in missouri? >> stephanie: and she said also hashtag wendy do you support using everybody else's money for your birth control abortions. >> okay, whatever. >> stephanie: it's the elevated tone of the dialogue that keeps me coming back to this issue. >> yes exactly. charlie pierce by the way speaking of happy marriage equality we didn't get to talk to you last week. >> we're very bored with it in the commonwealth in massachusetts because we've had it with everybody. >> stephanie: you're like, whatever, what's new. >> my friend mary is getting a lot of run on tv. she's the one who won the decision up here, she's terrific. she's getting a bunch of tv time, and that's really cool. >> stephanie: it obviously was-- >> are hey gay marrying all over the sidewalks in l.a. >> stephanie: everywhere. you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a gay couple. >> don't even

>>steve: on the pages of the "wall street journal," peggy noonan writes this is a political bombshell're talking about the i.r.s. chief counsel -- that is one of two political appointees in all of the i.r.s. william wilkins, did it just spring into his head, i should go ahead and target these people for extra layers of scrutiny? did he get word from somebody else he should do that? did he get word from somebody at the white house? we do not know yet. we know he is a life long democrat who in 2008 helped lead the defense on jeremiah wright's church when he was being investigated by the i.r.s. he did that work, mr. wilkins said, on behalf of the case absolutely free pro bono. >>brian: this guy has an expertise in 501-c-4 and c-3 applications. yet people testified he was out of the loop on this. you have to be skeptical that he was out of the loop on this if this is his area of expertise. there seems to be a problem in when it comes to hold be up applications for conservative groups. >>gretchen: another fact discussed in detail was what was detrimental to these groups was not they were a