here is peggy noonan. and here is the horror for me of las vegas. i was not shattered.shatters me, she writes. it is not the new normal. it is the new abnormal and deep down we know it's not going to stop. >> no, it's not going to stop. you know, these things happen, they're awful, they're tragic. and then we start the gun debate non-debate. one reason it's a non-debate is that we debate what specific piece of legislation could have stopped this incident. and you can never put your finger on it. and therefore you can't talk about any piece of legislation that might have stopped the last one or might stop the next one. meanwhile, there are 300 million guns in this country. and so a real gun debate has to look at that fact. 300 million guns. we need to, you know, look at what was done in a place like australia where they had a gun buyback. gun control is permissible according to the supreme court. if congress were to decide, it won't happen, were to decide that automatic assault rifles, long guns are something that -- military style weapons, are something that citizens sh

. >> if you missed it this morning, a pretty eye-popping piece from peggy noonan. re's no hard constituency in america for political incompetence. is she right? >> i would say first and foremost that whatever peggy said is probably right. i am a big fan of hers and have been for a long time. what she is referring to in political incompetence, getting what might be a moment into a movement. when you have somebody like donald trump who is polling as low as he is and seems to be completely unconcerned with turning that around, that starts to look like political incompetence. >> i also think that having said all that, this ire among party base voters, you can imagine the president going back and campaigning against his own people. >> i have to say what i hear from former president bush and obama and paul ryan, and i can hear president trump and his supporters listening to all the criticisms, going, yeah, so? we beat you in the primaries, president bush, and we beat you in the general election symbolically, president obama, and we beat you now, paul ryan. >> i think what

if you have a moment to read peggy noonan's column, it's about the disposition of a president, and imagine no matter what side of the aisle you're on, you will find it fascinating. we have a big show this morning. we'll talk about this google/lyft deal, which has been on my mind google also has a stake in uber, and what it means in the battle for those two. there's didi, apple has a stake in didi. didi has a stake in uber and also lyft. so a lot of bedfellows and frenemies. we have a budget we'll talk about that, whether we really have a budget or not ken fisher will join the program. that's on the agenda >> all right see you then thank you. >>> still to come, the senate just made tax reform a little bit more promising we'll talk market implications straight ahead. trust #1 doctor recommended dulcolax. use dulcolax tablets for gentle dependable relief. suppositories for relief in minutes. and dulcoease for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax. designed for dependable relief. and i'm the founder of ugmonk. before shipstation it was crazy. it's great when you see a hundred order

>> dana: peggy noonan who always seems to have her finger on the pulse of america. >> there is a senseiety is collapsing, culture is collapsing. the world is collapsing. crazy people with bad haircuts have nukes. everything is going bad. terrorism et cetera. they want to be fully armed. at home. and you can say the same thing you do. they are americans and they want to go down fighting. >> dana: always interesting to hear her perspective. steve i think she has a good sense of things, tapping into the pulse of where the country is going, the current mood and emotion. the trajectory. i think she's right, there are so much, when you wake up in the morning, it's frightening. people feel like things are not within their control and they think, a sense of self-preservation, not because they love president trump where they are crazy right wing. they are people with families, they want to protect. they want to feel safe in their homes. they feel like the world is an unsafe place right now. there is evidence to support that with the things we are covering in the news. >> greg: how different is

. >> kimberly, i'm going to read you something from peggy noonan's, "the wall street journal." >> all tell you about the law as well. >> that'll be helpful. i think a lot of americans have guns because they are fearful for good reason. they know that it's going to be a nation that no longer coheres. they think it's collapsing. our society, our culture, the competence on our leadership class. unlike the cultural superiors, they understand the implications. her point was we keep going around and around on this issue that doesn't ever solve anything. when we should probably take a step back and look at why people do feel fearful. >> there's a lot of things happening, especially what we've seen with terror attacks not only here but abroad. just the frequency of them. people feel like they want to be able to protect their families. guess what, for whatever reason they so choose that they'd like to buy like a weapon, it's within their legal rights as long as they comply the law, done the background checks, they've been able to be responsible in terms of the guns ownerships, safety trading,

. >> i want to go to something else that peggy noonan brought up.a plurality of americans stockpiling guns? >> they are afraid. not of confiscation. i was unfamiliar with what representative scalise said about seizing guns in new orleans. they are afraid of having to defend themselves. if in puerto rico the power goes down, the grid goes down. it does not account for people who stockpile. i would suggest the one place where you might h a is like with controlled narcotics. if people buy a lot of them in a short period of time, it triggers a red flag. >> and you heard congressman scalise's response on that, because we know the nra fears the registration, okay? >> i didn't -- >> how do you do both? >> you have to have great security in the age of equifax where people can break into data. so many background checks are run in such a short period of time, you have a red flag. >> that's an interesting thought. >> good luck. i mean, because the nra sees that as a registry. so they'll fight it tooth and nail. >> donald trump was at one time a gun control guy

. >> here's peggy noonan who writes, fdr and ronald reagan were pretty tough, but they managed to sound like presidents and not say john gotti. >> you know, again, i think president bush -- with all respect for the analysis about moral authority which i think is really very fair, i think president bush and president obama actually don't get what the issue is. there's a crisis of faith in government. the american people -- much like many people around the world don't believe that government is in this for them. don't believe they're being served. think they're corrupt. think they're dishonest. what those two gentlemen said while we all at the table may agree with them, don't go toward solving the problem. >> but is their anger based on fabrications in many ways? you know, they're angry at things that didn't happen, but thigh think -- they think they did because they're being fed decisive rhetoric. >> well, i will say it's because of the fake news. >> i understand. that's a vicious cycle we are in. >> we need to answer the crisis of faith in our leadership. not simply focus on the fact th

. >> kimberly, peggy noonan, your colleague had a pretty tough piece on the president noting all the different sort of blind quote complaints and public quote complaints. when a theme like this keeps coming up, something's going on. a lot of people appear to be questioning in a new way or at least talking about trk the president's judgment, maturity and emotional so lid tee. >> some of the people you mention there at the beginning have been long time critics the president trump. >> not bob corker. >> that is new, but he was the subject of a tweet blast so he probably needed to get something out there. i think if you talked to most republicans, it's actually interesting, they kind of move beyond the surprise stage anymore. what surprises them is anybody is surprised anymore that the president does these things. and so instead trying to just get things done. and i would argue that what you actually saw coming out of the white house this week was, in fact, the product of some very deliberate work. it wasn't necessarily chaotic. he didn't defy his advisers. they said don't get out of the

peggy noonan here. >> good morning. >> i'm curious when you talk about this.health care replacements and bills, et cetera, these issues obsess americans and it's something on their minds. and yet nobody ever knows what we're talking about when we talk about these phrases about csrs and bailouts and percentages of the giveback that might come partially from the state and the fed, maybe the county. do you find it almost impossible to talk clearly to your constituents in a way that they understand about health care? i mean, do you all have it straight? i must admit i watch tv every day. i get confused every time health care comes up. >> peggy, that's a great question. sometimes we've got to get beyond the talking points. there's an individual side, small business side and even remembering president clinton, obamacare used the word killing or crushing small businesses. those are things we have to counter. there are factors that go beyond the individuality of this. it is complex. i'm not making the case that the health care system 8 1/2, nine years ago was in a goo

. >> peggy noonan said the best strategy against barack obama was he inherited a bad situation and made it worse. i believe that a lot of barack obama supporters and people worked there might respectfully disagree even if i'm wrong on that, you certainly could say that about donald trump in north korea, president obama told donald trump, president trump, what will keep you awake at night will not be health care, it will be north korea, it seems president trump has done everything he's been capable of doing as a president to make that situation worse. how do you assess what steve bannon said and president trump's handling of north korea, am i being too tough on him? >> no, i don't think you are, joe, steve bannon, everything he said was inexplicable. it's an attempt you see in this administration to link a bunch of cars together on the train and run the rail right off the side of the mountain so let's just kind of put that aside, in terms of north korea, what president trump personally has done and it ties back to that first segment on cyber bullying, it is going to do nothing but enflam

contributor for nbc news and msnbc peggy noonan. we want to get to the las vegas shooter.r-old steven paddock opened fire on a crowd in las vegas. killing 59 people and injuring more than 500 others. fbi agents pouring over arsenal or weapons seized from the hotel room where he cared out the attack. including a handgun. ar 15 assault rifles and rifles equipped with scopes. new reporting from the ap says the shooter had two bump stocks that could have converted semi automatic firearms into fully automatic ones. another 19 firearms were recovered from his home in mesquite, nevada along with explosives and thousands of bullets. most of what we know about the shooter came from his brother. nbc carry sanders spoke with him yesterday. carey joins us now. seems like such a mystery. go oftalking about the older brother. asking questions. told fbi his brother had no political affiliations. was nonreligious. these are some of the details he shared with us in his 70 minute conversation. that his brother was 64 years old. he was a retired accountant. a full-time gambler who was a mult