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tom: on the fourth of july weekend, we looked at peggy noonan's essay.on benjamin franklin writing in the new york daily news -- the july 4 independence day is not just a time for barbecues and fireworks. we are a very unusual country. adams counteddent 19 religious sects in the country. the declaration of independence ringing affirmation that all men are created equal has become the sacred document holding us together. with us, a good conversation with the gentleman from yale and chicago law, david mcintosh. wonderful to have you with us. nation?rized is this i love what peggy noonan said, field of dreams, it is iowa or indiana. how polarized are we? rep. mcintosh: we are terribly polarized. i was downtown at the celebration last night and in a group of liberal democrats and conservative republicans, and everyone was enjoying the fact that we were celebrating our country. outside of washington and the political bubble, there is a lot more that unites us. tom: there is a political bubble. admirals and generals did not show up to what was clearly a politi

let me just read to you from peggy noonan. it posted today at "the wall street journal." about aoc, she has very effectively changed the shape of the democratic party with her defacto open borders policy and other extremisms. moderates know this will come back to bite them. alexandria ocasio-cortez has been destructive to her party's chances in 2020. she is a one woman committee to re-elect the president. your thoughts? >> i think that probably exaggerates her influence, but i do think what we're seeing is a serious growing process for ocasio-cortez. she has to decide whether she's in washington to make a difference or make a scene. her squad have all held elected office. they know if you want to get something done, the path is through nancy pelosi. >> dana: can they solve this or does it keep going? i heard someone say aoc has turned the democratic caucus into thunder dome. >> we keep talking about aoc because she has 5 million social media followers. for right now, she's great to talk about. if you look within the party and look what happened at the midterm, moderates w

i remember hearing that peggy noonan used to write the news screws for dan rather. was writing to be spoken. anything spoken is going to be the closest. >> clarity is so important. my colleague always pointed out writing is a process of elimination. in a political context, you are not lawyering in the technical sense, but you are making a case. important.so ,ever skipping a logical step because if you do that, someone not persuaded and what you are saying will notice you skipped a step. it weakens your point. in the of what you do work that we were called on to and tryingg it clear to make it -- trying to do away with the clutter, and all of those extra touches. clutter, therehe is so much obvious occasion in politics, so many you've ms. him's. that a lot of people giving these speeches do not feel like they are pulling something off by using euphemisms. it doesn't work. age,ve in a conversational so i'm not advocating for oratory, just for simplicity and clarity. did,nald reagan always assuming an intelligent listener. have two more questions and not a lot of time,

i think peggy noonan used to write the news scripts for dan rather, right? that is how she got her start. she was writing to be spoken. anything spoken is going to be the closest. >> clarity is so important in that. my colleague always pointed out that so much of writing is the process of elimination. especially in a political context, you are making a case. lawyering in the technical sense, but you are making a case. important, and president bush really got after a on this -- never skipping logical step, because if you do that, someone who is not necessarily persuaded of what it is you are saying, they will know if you skipped a step and glossed over something, so it weakens your point. and so so much of what work is just making it clear and trying to do away with the clutter. there is so much obvious station in politics, so many euphemisms in politics, so many euphemisms, and people giving these speeches think they are pulling something off by using euphemisms and baby talk and things like that. it doesn't work. we live in a conversational age, so i am not

my friend peggy noonan characterized this best a few weeks ago in her "wall street journal" column. she described a young politician in 1838 who gave a speech to a midwestern l youth group about public policy and the political events of the time. the last of our founding fathers has recently died, and in their absence our nation felt lost. the founders were a visual representation of american values and modeled our first principles and their behavior. after their death, their core values were being forgotten and mob rule began to rise threatening our republic. the young politician had a solution. our people should transfer reverence for our founders to reverence for the laws that they created. he said only reverence for our constitution and laws will protect our nation's political institution and retain the attachment of the people. the speaker of that day in 1838 was abraham lincoln who was 28 years old at the time. he understood that the delicate nature of our laws, when our laws collapse everything else in our nation can crumble with it. i believe that to love our country, we mus