correspondent hallie jackson, former homeland secretary jay johnson and wall street journalist peggy noonan. welcome to sunday and a special edition of "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is a special edition of "meet the press" with chuck todd. >>> good sunday morning. it was almost exactly four years ago at his inauguration that donald trump stood at the u.s. capitol and said, this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. on wednesday, that american carnage came to the capitol. inspired by a president trying to deny his successor's inauguration. make no mistake, what happened that day was an insurrection against the united states government. by thousands of pro-trump rioters who stormed and sacked the capitol, aided by elected republicans trying to overturn joe biden's victory with a big lie and inspired by a president of the united states who urged that mob on. then later that day, excuse the violence with a lie again, calling the election fraudulent. since wednesday, president trump has been largely out of

we fought an entire civil war to prevent that from happening. >> you know, peggy noonan, the amount ofnti-semites, racists, that were, frankly, i guess mainstreamed by donald trump over the last few years has rattled a lot of people's concern about whether this democracy is going to hold up. what say you? >> oh, i say america with its barbaric yaup can shock us and upset us very often. we do manage to hold on, and i expect that will be true. but i think for a lot of people, the indelible image of this week is the idea that the capitol, this great and grand building, the one we put on postcards if you visit washington, d.c., and write home, that it could be overrun by vandals in a moment, that an action could be taken and elected leaders are fleeing for their lives. i think this was shock to so many people, especially to the young, to whom we have to show, we don't allow this. we stop that right now. we stopped it this week. >> i hope so. hallie jackson, what happens to donald trump on january 21st? if he doesn't leave sooner? >> he doesn't go anywhere, chuck. physically, obviously, he'

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and, you know, my friend peggy noonan, who said in the "wall street journal," who called for his impeachment, because he's a bad man and he is a dangerous person to be in this position. so i would implore republicans who are going to go over this tonight to take this very seriously, their lives and constituents' lives, and vote to remove this man from office. >> there are reports that 10 to 20 republicans might vote for impeachment with democrats or at least considering it. maybe one of them is mist cheney, who's been very outspoken. what do you think about that? >> i was proud of liz cheney to stand up and write that 21-page memo. she comes from a very conservative state and district, so i particularly appreciate that, and her leadership in that role. so i think, you know, continuing on, i hope that they would vote for these -- you know, for the resolution tonight, and if that doesn't prevail, the vice president doesn't do something, proceed with impeachment. i do think it will be bipartisan both in the senate and now you're hearing -- i mean in the house, you know, this week, and in the se

. >> first of all, peggy noonan, she stole the title of my next book, dumb male and clubby.you know the liz cheneys of the worlds are going to be the heroes and kevin mccarthys of the world will be the weak villains and the stupidity, to use peggy's term, that they can't see this is stunning. you know, go back to the polls where you guys talked about where americans are and where they are in trump and the impeachment. as is the case, i was wrong. i came on the show and i said, you know, this is going to be a -- there's a silver line to go this. and the silver lining to what happened last wednesday is the majority of trump voters would see this. there will be a moment for us to come together. if you just needed any striking example of what's wrong and the absurdity and the disgustingness of the trump presidency, i thought that was the moment. and i was wrong. that was not a wakeup call, a call to action, a call to sanity. and i keep coming back to why. why? why will you see that? and the only answer i keep coming back to. i sound like a broken record. it is race. 40% of this

a column from peggy noonan, calling for the president to be removed from office immediately and makingome grim historical comparisons to other leaders in world history. you know, those things can move the need needle wiand we're seeg payback to supporters who blocked the electoral count. take all of that into consideration, and you may have some republicans moving on the idea of an impeachment and removal but we haven't seen it yet, joe. >> right we have learned in the last four years that 12, how many days we got, 12 days normally isn't a long time. but there have been certain weeks that were like six months long in terms of news cycles but i remember when we were coming up to the election, it still seemed that it was far away and i bought a carton of milk that was after, you know, the date on it was after the election, i bet i could almost find a quart of milk that is past january 20th, maybe, so that's how close it is i just don't see how you could do the impeachment. >> the historical question, joe, here is what message does it send to the future and what signal does it send to fut

he was always casting about, as peggy noonan says in the film, for a policy, for ideology, for ideasf who he is. the american people never bought it whenever he ran a national campaign. great in delaware, but not great out there in america. he just wasn't uniquely different. it may be that what happened to him this time, in the face of coronavirus, racial reckoning, a president who set a lot of stuff on fire, maybe a lot of people were uneasy and really felt they needed a grief counselor in chief, if you will. i think that's who joe biden has become across his life. we tell a lot of the stories in the film tonight. maybe that was enough. even what -- people recognizing what joe biden may not have even recognized about himself, that he's prepared by life to be the grief counselor in chief. host: do you explore the dynamic that people voted not necessarily for joe biden but against president trump? guest: there's no doubt about that. biden benefited from that. aside from political policy differences with trump that apparently 80 million americans had, there were personality issues. the