pekka: this is actually happening already. the big picture first, last year, the use of coal for power in europe declined by about 20%. so it is happening as we speak. on the fortum side, just in a matter of weeks, we have announced coal shutdowns in finland, stockholm, and on top -- jumiperi announced a plan -- juniper announced a plan to shut down all their coal-fired power plants in germany, so this is happening as we speak. matt: coal is a huge issue in germany. the future of nuclear is one of the biggest issues under debate in sweden. should the country revoke the it by the endose of this year? pekka: this is something that the operators of that plant should comment. we are not an owner there. we support the continuation of nuclear and the agreements that they have in sweden actually gives the operator a possibility to continue to use the plants until the end of their economic and technical lifetime. it operator will need to make their decision based on the technical and commercial factors. since we are not an owner, we c

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