pelenise: yes. we live with it. every day. may: tell me what that i is lik. what is lilife like on those islands dealing with climate change? pelenise: our islands are very--are very low. may: yeah. pelenise: like, the highest point is 3 meters above sea level, and they're very narrow, so, you have the lagoon on one side, you have the ocean on the other side, and when i say narrow, it may be like only 50 meters, and some will be just, you know, like, two meters. that's maybe the end of the islands, and then we are connected between islands to islands through the cross waves. that means they built not bridges but, um, they build land, you know, to connect--or build a road between one island to another but, um, with--the sea level rises, i think one of our few challenges right now. may: right. right. pelenise: and people said, "but how do you measure the sea level when it's coming up? how do you make--do you see it coming up? you know, can you measure it?" and i said, "no, we cannot but we can. we mea

pelenise: yes. live with it. every day. may: tell me what that i is lik. what is lilife like on those islands dealing with climate change? pelenise: our islands are very--are very low. may: yeah. pelenise: like, the highest point is 3 meters above sea level, and they're very narrow, so, you have the lagoon on one side, you have the ocean on the other side, and when i say narrow, it may be like only 50 meters, and some will be just, you know, like, two meters. that's maybe the end of the islands, and then we are connected between islands to islands through the cross waves. that means they built not bridges but, um, they build land, you know, to connect--or build a road between one island to another but, um, with--the sea level rises, i think one of our few challenges right now. may: right. right. pelenise: and people said, "but how do you measure the sea level when it's coming up? how do you make--do you see it coming up? you know, can you measure it?" and i said, "no, we cannot but we can. we measur