she called miss pelham earlier today to apologize she wouldn't be able to make it tonight. that's our fault, we notified her as a courtesy late. the regular agenda went out on time but didn't send her the courtesy notification. she was okay with us proceeding without her and directed us to rely on the letter she submitted to the commission which appears on page 63 of the packet. >> were you trying to prevent her from appearing? >> no. >> mr. chairman -- >> commissioner kopp -- >> through the chair to mr. chen, there was distributed this may 18, 2012 memorandum all city departments from the sunshine ordinance task force, it refers to the office of the city attorney in this way task force disagrees with the office of the city attorney's interpretation for requirements of summaries and meeting minutes. have you you being the office, issued a written opinion on the subject matter? >> our advice on this issue is contained in the good government guide which is referenced. >> does the brown act require that will the local government body accepts to be reproduced within the minutes

so, miss pelham. >> thank you chair keane. this item is presented as a folo the commission's request last mo identify whether there might ben earlier start time available foe meetings. due largely to the question of e lateness of some of the meetings conclusions. we checked with city hall for requirement that each of our mee televised to determine what time meets are available and times ts are available. as you point out on chart one -- actually at the the table at thm of page 2 for this report on ey. there could be a change to the f the commission wishes to start n earlier time, due to the constrf the building, the only availabis the second tuesday at the beginf each month beginning at 10:00 a. there is an exception for calenf the commission were to take to a approach to require the meetinge held at the next prick particule time for january, february and h would require friday meetings. thees arthese closer to the secf the month, moving from the foury at 5:30 to the second tuesday a0 as standing part of the commisss bylaws. w

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chairman, ought to be on the january calendar, and the way that miss pelham is scheduling these matters, it's for discussion and/or vote, correct. >> yes. >> again, it's up to the commissioner direction as to what you would like to see. >> so i have a process direction to the city attorney. as this item is agendaized, is it -- and i think staff is asking for policy direction, so could we discuss -- i'm assuming the answer is yes, but i wanted to clarify. could we discuss, as a body, whether or not as a policy matter we wanted to pursue this item now? we don't have to wait until the january meeting to discuss it? >> well, i mean, it sounds like the questions are sort of how you want to proceed from a priority perspective, so you know, i think you could give advice about how -- how you wanted staff to, you know, to prioritize the different item., and i think also, just some substantive discussion, as well. >> thank you. so if we could, you know, on this item -- you know, commissioner kopp, i'm not sure what the genesis of this proposal is. >> well, i'll tell you what it is. it's a duplica

it's the letter from the office of the district attorney to miss pelham regarding what you neglected to act upon and had to go before the task force, and from what i read, the district attorney said you did violate the brown act, and i admit. i was wrong, i kind of went in there and took up the bat for you and said well, i don't think they really did. well, i got it wrong, too. so i'm not perfect. i never pretended to be, but the bottom line is, somebody held you in account and you don't like it. that's one thing that i've found is very common on boards of this city, is if somebody says something to a board or commission, they just ignore it because they don't want to -- number one, they can't give a response. you never get a response, you get a reaction, and you ask why i behave the way i do? it's because you don't get a response from anybody. what you get is a reaction, and if getting a reaction is the only thing you can get, you become a provocateur. b.f. skinner, the father of behavioral conditioning said any behavior that is rewarded will be repeated, so if i come here for publi

the portrait of penelope pelham shows a different side, very different from plymouth that edward had because edward thought that he was missed in london and that he start importing and exporting goods and he comes to spend quite a lot of time in london and elizabeth, edward's daughter also comes over to call to him because he gets very miserable in london but he can't leave it alone. he been promoted to one of the revolutionary committees. and he's actually chosen to be one of the civilians commissioner in charge of expelling spain from jamaica and hispaniola and making english protestant colonies there at last, edward dies on the way to jamaica . and of course, the squire and penelope live at marshfield. but they also spend quite a lot of time in england and penelope, her family, they are aristocratic great manor houses they live in. and i think that to sire changes and we have letters in which he talks of the influence of the indians, and he gets very in with speculators from boston who thinks the native americans are not using up-to-date methods and he is part of a group guessing

oh, yes miss pelham. >> what we have on the overhead is the list of items as included in the motion byommissioner chiu. just to try to provide clarity for those watching and listening. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> chairperson keane: mr. chen. >> very briefly. so just in terms of moving the process along because that's what the commission wants to do, in terms of the green highlighted provisions where we need additional language, perhaps the direction of the commission could be that the staff work with commissioner chiu on finalizing that language. so that doesn't have to come back here, but can move forward in the legislative process. just a suggestion. >> just to make sure i understand, mr. chen that we'd work together on the language and then it would go where? >> it would not, that we'd -- >> that would -- if there is this no objection from my fellow commissioners. >> chairperson keane: i think that is a good idea. commissioner chiu will help you out with regard to this and no one october to that. we have a motion and seconded and before us. all those in favor say aye. all those o

i think director pelham conveyed it more concisely and eloquently, but that was my only point. >> commissioner >> president keane: yes. >> certainly it was my understanding that tonight, we were going to vote on the final product because we didn't have a final product. we did have directions to the staff what we we wanted them to do, but we didn't have the language, and clearly, i -- i thought we would come here -- there would be a motion, and i would make the motion that we adopt this proposed ordinance, forward it to the board of supervisors as worded, and then -- 'cause i don't -- i think one -- somebody attacking could say we never voted on the exact language. >> president keane: i think we did, but is there a second to mr. renne's motion? >> i'll second. >> president keane: okay. motion's been made and seconded. any -- do we have discussion on the motion? okay. before we -- we'll take public comment and -- on the motion. [ inaudible ] >> president keane: the motion to, once again, adopt this entire thing. >> charles marstellar for the record again, i think, speaking on behalf of f.o.e. on

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