so director pellam raised this issue for the committee.and i think that at this point maybe it would be a good idea to stop there and see if there are further questions or other areas that the commissioners would like to look into as far as this budget. >> i'm going to ask a quick procedural question. so from a timing point of view, you have the initial committee hearing with the board on the 12th. and just to be clear, unlike the scripted protocol where the department is expected to smile, you know, willingly when the mayor makes a recommendation, i think that the director and the department made the case that this commission has been insisting on that more was required. and so now you're having a follow-up meeting i gather with the mayor and the budget staff, that's what you're referring to here? >> correct. >> and will you go back to committee at the board, or does this all roll over to meeting of the whole of the board of supervisors for disposition of the entire city budget? >> at this time we're not scheduled for follow-up with the b