pence is finished. he established all in the back on january 6th when he didn't and questioned the election fraud. that is james, sending that message in from troy, michigan. this is from cnn politics and they are writing about the speech that mike pence was sent to give out heritage yesterday that was postponed due to the weather, probably causing flight delays last night across the east coast. here's the headline, pence to off a roadmap for conservatives in d.c. speech ahead of nation's capital. they write that former vice president mike pence will sound very much like a white house hopeful looking to lead his party beyond former president donald trump when he touts his freedom agenda for the republican party in a speech in washington. pence will deliver remarks about a proposed conservative agenda at the heritage foundation. the conservative think tank. the trip, though originally laid to take place monday evening, one day before trump faces her son was to make his first visit to the nation's capital

than marc short is karen pence. >> we all know how mike feels about karen pence. piece about mike pence for yahoo news, you quote a top trump adviser keeping tabs on pence who said of the former vice president, quote, they're very strategic about when he pops his head up. his path to the white house f he has one and i argue he does not, do exactly what he's been doing. what do you think that aide meant by that? what is mike pence doing right now? and does he have a chance of being the 2024 republican nominee? i feel like i have more of a chance of being the gop presidential nominee than mike pence? >> i mean, the field is open. you might as well. as it goes with pence, yeah. he does have a chance. but the tension here for him in particular is how does he address this? another thing that happened today is they released the title and the cover of his book coming out november 15th. it's about the oath of office. so help me god. it hints at this. and the publisher apparently is counting on him to actually talk about january 6th. yet he himself is not. again today you

the new mike pence.ing to figure this out. i do not think they do agree on policy, and if donald trump and mike pence run against each other, i am sure trump will draw the contrast. he will talk about how mike pence wants to cut medicare. he will say things like that, even if it's true. he will say things like. that he will also talk about trade differences. he wants free trade, trump's for protectionism. i don't think they agree. and for mike pence to stand up there and say, we agree on everything except that thing that happened on january 6th. even though they tried to hang the, hey, i'm still good with them. i mean, how does that work? >> it is clearly not to going to be a binary choice for the gop domination in 2024 with pence and trump. if trump announces, which he looks like he may, there are many, many people -- >> alice, don't you think it makes him seem weak? why not stand there and say look, i disagree with donald trump. donald trump tried to get me to defy my oath. he tried to get me to do the

that mike than karen pence. >> we all know how mike feels about karen pence.ke pence and yahoo news, you -- trump advisor keeping tabs on tans who set of the former vice president quote, they are very strategic about when he pops his head up. his path to the white house, if he has one, and the it argues that he does not, it's to do exactly what he has been doing. what do you think that aid meant by that? what is mike pence doing right now? and as you have a chance of being the 2024 republican nominee? i think like i have more of a chance of being the gop presidential nominee than mike pence. >> i mean, the field is open. you might as well. [laughs] nobody is as sure as hell as anybody. >> as it goes with pence, yeah, he does have a chance. but you know, the tension here for him in particular, how does he address this? and you know, another thing that happened today is that they release the title and the cover of this both as going to be coming out, on november 15th. you know, it's about the oath of office, so help me god. it hints at this. and the publisher ap

donald trump tried to have mike pence hung and mike pence today, the only distinction he made was trump looks a little more at the past and i'm going to look a little more to the future. somebody in the audience asked mike pence a question directly. are there any differences between you and donald trump? and the man who tried to have him hung, mike pence really didn't say there were many differences. this is trump's party and it will remain that way until pence has the courage to stand up. >> beyond pence, dave, as we look ahead to 2024 match-ups, is that not the question? policy aside. maybe there won't be many policies difference. either with trump or against trump. >> yeah. what mike pence is doing is building a strategy out of necessity here. he is interesting in running for the republican nomination in 2024. and he knows he has a bit of a market share problem because of the swath of the party that remains committed to donald trump and donald trump's lie about the 2020 election being illegitimate and rigged and stolen. so those folks are not really open, it seems, to a make pence, a

what did donald trump say to mike pence? and those are questions asked in a very serious and formal environment of a grand jury. a grand jury that is preparing as part of a criminal investigation for the possibility of charging people with crimes. >> so, carroll, in your pc described two tracks of investigation in your report. attract leading to potential's seditious his verse each arduous and in obstruction of an official proceeding on the one hand and another related to fraud regarding the fake electoral scheme. do we know which tracked the justice department's gather more infamous evidence and information, and is leading predicting one way or no they're, can we tell from that question? >> there are three different offices burrowing into the specific tracks. i don't know the answer to your question, i sure wish i did. but i am imagine they are steaming full steam ahead on all of these tracks and obviously, based on the grand jury witnesses who were brought in, the fake electors piece is perhaps further along than any other

administration. >> despite all that, pence credited the trump or trump-pence administration severalimes in his speech, touting its work on border security, foreign policy, the economy and judicial appointments. pence also celebrated the supreme court's decision overturning roe v. wade and said states should go further. >> our freedom agenda calls for advancing pro-life protections in every state in the union. >> trump never responded to or even mentioned pence in his speech. pence also announced is he coming out with a book in november. the publisher says it will detail the seferg of the trump-pence relationship when it says that pence kept his oath to the constitution. bret? >> bret: we'll talk to his former chief of staff a little later in this show. marc short. rich, thank you. president biden and his team are bracing for new economic numbers thursday that could indicate the u.s. economy is, in fact, in a recession. one expert says a global recession may be coming as well. the administration is already fighting back against that term, which could inspire even more defections for

pence, congressman mike pence of their three children now whom are grown adults, one is a united states marine, one is a writer and one just not too long ago became a member of the bar, a lawyer as well. each of them are doing well. they came to the reagan ranch for the first time and brush their family to the ranch. ronald reagan was a transformational figure in the life of our guest speaker today. as he was for so many of us. he has had the honor of going to the university of iowa, university of virginia where the student newspaper said he should not be able to speak there. imagine that. saying someone to not be able to speak because of their conservative values. that is why we love having him here today. he is a fighter, a midwesterner and our spencer -- special guest speaker today. let's give it up for, mike pence. [applause] usa. usa. ♪ mr. pence: hello, young americas foundation. [cheering] welcome to our nation's capitol. thank you for that wonderful introduction. governor scott walker is my friend, he is one of the premier conservative leaders in america but he knows me well eno

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you join a discussion of a fracture between at least the short pence side and the gaetz pence side.rikes you. >> what strikes me is we can't call what's going on in the gop a war. it's more like a skirmish, because you have former president trump leaning in on lies. continuing to get a lot of support for conspiracy theories, frankly. i was just in the room where he was delivering the speech. the biggest applause lines is when he claimed the election was corruption and he wanted to continue to possibly try to run for office. he said that the january 6 committee, the only reason they're doing the work of finding out what happened during the capitol attack, which is the worst attack on the u.s. capitol in our nation's history from my understanding, was that because they wanted to damage him. it was all about him all about grievance politics. i was struck by the fact that in this crowd -- this is a crowd of people that is mixed. some are very much conspiracy theorists. a lot of people want to go back to conservative values, conservative policies. talking to people in the room, a lot are

that was pence's history.ublican presidential primary and pence standing up to trump gets oxygen from this table and the media landscape. i think the challenge for them is again going to be being one of many because if there are many challengers to donald trump it is much more likely he'll walk up and receive the nomination in 2024. if mike pence is there with the list, that probably hands trump the nomination. >> look at a poll out from "the times" and sienna college asking who would you pick as the gop nominee. 49% said trump. desantis is closest at 25%. pence at 6%. super early. >> what was biden at? >> certainly. look at what a republican strategist told your newspaper. this sarah longwell, we ask people what about mike pence and get eh. that's the sound people make. he doesn't seem to jazz up the base. >> there is the difference between the base and what privately i think what politicians on capitol hill want and how republicans did this to themself they ginned up the base that is obsessed with trump. lov

that is not a message from pence and rick scott. it is maga policy but more optimistic and forward looking. is today's republican party ready for optimism for buy the response to fear and anger? i don't know that we know the answer to that yet. >> again, more to come. i can't wait to hear what he says. vaughn, ali, michael, david, thank you. >>> still ahead president biden looks like he might get political wins courtesy of congress. what will they do to help democrats in the midterms? is the u.s. in or headed to a recession? what today's new report tells us about the direction of the economy. two former aides to mike pence said they testified in front of a grand jury. >> i did receive a subpoena and complied with the subpoena. sub complied with the subpoena cibinqo — fda approved. 100% steroid free. not an injection, cibinqo is a once-daily pill cibinqo can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for infections and do blood tests. tell your doctor if you've had hepa

here is what pence's former aide marc short thinks of that. >> i don't know if mike pence will run for president in 2024, but i don't think matt gaetz will have an impact on that. i would be surprised if he was still voting. it is more likely he'll be in prison for child sex trafficking by 2024, and i'm actually surprised that florida law enforcement still allows him to speak to teenage conferences like that. i'm not too worried about what matt gaetz thinks. >> i mean, that's quite a statement. but it is from a republican who worked at a very conservative -- worked for a very conservative republican, pence, against another conservative, though very different republican, matt gaetz. what do you think big picture? >> i think big picture, as long as matt gaetz continues to talk about mike pence, it is better for mike pence because there is a clear contrast there. listen, mike pence has shown that he can be trusted with the constitution. he has, under the worst circumstances, was able to stand and do his job. and keep our democracy from descending into chaos. so he has earned the trust of

up between pence and trump. if you stick around, we will hear from ali velshi himself, but the special saturday addition of the velshi banned book club. velshi starts. now. good morning. it is saturday, july 30th. i'm michael steele in for my friend ali velshi. the january six select committee's historic public hearings may be done for the short term. but, the investigation into the insurrection continues on multiple fronts. the two former senior officials at the center of the latest leaked controversial -- chad wulf, and former beauty secretary, ken cuccinelli, has responded to a report in the washington post but their text messages leading him to january 6th and vanished. by saying, they did not do it. both former officials took to twitter to blame the former department they worked for, dhs, for the missing text. with wolf adding, quote, dhs has all my texts, emails, phone logs, and schedules. speaking of wolf, the ap report of the select committee has reached out to him could potentially appear. as an act of

pence a fraud as well. host: do you think he could have done anything on january 6 with the accounting of the electoral votes? he has said over and over that he did his constitutional duty. caller: what has he done since then? i have not heard him talk about fraud since then. where has he been through all of this, if he is such a hard-core, right-wing republican. host: next up, mary kay on the republican line. go ahead. caller: what i am really upset about is that c-span is giving a voice to the republican party under -- it is making me angry. c-span is amplifying hate, betrayers and why are you giving them a voice,. ? -- a voice period? there are more voices that are more important than what the republicans are doing. there are so many things that kamala harris is doing, and he would rather cover those in the washington journal. i am really upset at c-span for highlighting and having republicans call in to talk about what mike pence should have done. joe biden won the election, period. stop amplifying what

come in and my response to that is mike pence is going to come in if mike pence wants to come in. this is in the first time we have heard the committee float the possibility of mike pence as a witness so you have to ask yourself, why are we having this discussion again? particularly given that any litigation over whether pence will be a witness before the committee would take longer than the process that they seem to have laid out and the schedule that they have. there is a possibility that the former vice president sees the tide turning against former president trump and he has information that he wants to share and his lawyers have signaled that the committee. i am really interested in seeing whether as the days unfold, why they will be what looks to be a reluctant and belated witness, but a witness nonetheless in front of the committee. >> i want to remind people, just how important it is when mike pence gets pulled out of the capital proper, goes down into the garage and then his will by secret service to get in the car and refuses to get in , quote, one congressional official

[applause] >> about 17 years ago the pence's, mrs., congressman mike pence of their three children without whom are grown adult, when his united states marine, one is a brighter for the daily wire and married to an aviator in the united states 80, and one just not too long ago became a member of the bar, a lawyer as well come each of them are doing amazingly well and have wonderful spouses. .. precisely why we have him here today. he's a fighter, he's a loser, a westerner is our special guest speaker. let's give it up for the 40th vicepresident of these united states, might pence . >>. [music] [applause] >> hello young american foundation. [cheering] welcome to our nation's capital. thank you for that wonderful introduction. governor scott walker is my friend, he's one of the primary conservative leaders in america but he knows me well enough to know the introduction i prefer is a bit shorter. and a christian, a conservative and a republican in that order and it's my honor to be at the 44th annual national conservative student confere

and pence may not be someone that i am aligned with. but if he can break that maga fever and start communicating to republicans that they have alternatives, that's actually great, not just for the republican party. but that's great for the country. because we'll know that when donald trump is endorsing a candidate, we are talking about someone who's misogynistic, someone who is racist, who has authoritarian tendencies, who does not play in the democratic sandbox. and when i say democratic, i'm talking about little the little the democracy. it's important that pence is out there talking about this alternative for republicans. >> tim miller, let's -- talk about more about that alternative. i want to go back to something you are talking about while doing these focus groups. she told the washington post, not a single participant who voted for trump in 2020 wanted him to run in 20 2024. that echoes what you said. and then said, quote, they think the hearings are stupid. and they like donald trump. but they are making a political calculation

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i do not want pence. and if -- i would take desantis over pence.ecause pence, nice guy, but he's so weak. yeah, i want trump really bad. host: more from that speech yesterday in washington. here's the former president getting a lot of attention for some of his comments on how to deal with the issue of drugs and drug dealers in america. [video clip] president trump: we know where these gangs operates and know their names. the police officers know their names. the problem is they're not allowed to do anything about it and they want to. we need to get in there immediately, go into every drug den, every stash house, every hidtaway and round up -- hideaway and round up the killers and gang members and charge them with any and every crime that we find. and there are a lot of them. drug crimes, sex crimes, all sorts of crimes. vicious, vicious, horrible crimes like we've really never seen before. certainly not on a scale like this. we're a war zone. to lead this effort, joint violent crime task force composed of the department of justice and the departmen

trump/pence relationship when pence took his oath to the constitution januar.shington for us tonight, thank you. the dueling trump/pence, fox news contributor leslie marshall and jason chaffetz. thank you for joining us tonight. >> sure. >> gillian: i hear there is a lot to impact with this but let's start here. former president trump really errored a lot of grievances tonight. he had a lot on his mind while pence basically said "no way, no help, no matter what, no way am i looking backwards at 2020 and what went down." i want to get you both to respond. >> i always say i ran the first time and i won. then i ran a second time and i did much better. we have got millions and millions more votes. and you know what, that is going to be the story for a long time. what a disgrace it was. >> now, some people may choose to focus on the past, but elections are about the future. and i believe conservatives must focus on the future to win back america. [applause] we can afford to take our eyes off of the road in front of us. >> gillian: chasing, you heard rich's reporting

pence himself. >> shan, why haven't we heard from mike pence?now there are people in the line. help people understand. why not the proverbial? why not that person? >> two issues. they are politically, which i'm not the expert on. he probably does not want to go on record -- , keep that as little as possible. >> no witness wants to do that -- we don't care about that in doj. >> doj is going to be slightly concerned with what is the status, at this point. he would be tremendously valuable. but they are getting all of that information from the people near to him. as a prosecutor, i think you have to make some decision about pence first and if i was his lawyer, i would be looking to make sure i had some guarantees that you weren't looking at him as a target or subject. that may cause of delays in terms of getting him in front of the grand jury. >> i'm gonna give a harsher assessment. it ultimately comes down to a lack of courage. i just got to say, this was the one issue following through on the law, was the one place where we've given pence any cre

and mike pence is sort of the latest example.tting his toe in the water without actually having the courage to really do the right thing in trying to take trump out. >> marÍa teresa kumar, tim miller, think you. coming, up the events leading to and throughout the insurrection were called a stain on our -- we will ask douglas brinkley how to confront it when the 11th hour continues. how to purchases on your discover card. time. it's life's most precious commodity, especially when you have metastatic breast cancer. when your time is threatened, it's hard to invest in your future. until now. kisqali is helping women live longer than ever before when taken with an aromatase inhibitor or fulvestrant... in hr+, her2- metastatic breast cancer. 11th hour continues. to delay disease progression. kisqali can cause lung problems, or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. tell your doctor right away if you have

back pence and dan quayle, the former vice president who also had been from indiana, told pence, said look, you don't have that power. he actually cited the constitution and the law, but you see the hesitation waltz on pence's part. finally at the end he does standup and do what is constitutional and realizes and says to advisers, okay, i'm going to do what the conservative constitutionalists would do. but this was part of the peril in all of this, that if pence had gone the other way and decided i'm confused, i don't know how we certify the winter here -- the winner here, and walked away which he could've done, trump was very anxious to have him do, we would've had a constitutional crisis, a crisis about the legitimacy of the presidency, who was president, who won and so forth. and so this again is one of the political and constitutional bullets that we dodged the whole time. >> we did. and it's almost went to say we dodged the bullet because we went through january 6th and there were millions of americans who still deny the legitimacy of the election but, in fact, we did dodge a lar

pence was going to accept the electorals.ou could think it up, were hearing it. >> i believed vice president pence was going to certif the electol votes and- work not certify them, but i guess that just changed. very big disappointment. i think there are several hundred thousand people that are very disappointed. >> president trump did not try to calm his thousands of disappointed supporters. instead, the same moment violence was getting completely out of hand, donald trump sent a two to 14 time tweet. -- 2:24 tweet. pence did not have the courage to do what should have a dad to protect our country and our constitution. despite knowing the capitol have been breached in the mob was in the building, president trump mike pence a coward and placed all the blame on him for not stopping the certification. he put a target on his own vice president's back. stir pottinger and ms. matthews, when we ask about your reaction to sing the 2:24 tweet in real time, you both use the same imagery to describe it, president adding fuel to the fir

pence has not been somebody that they view as a likely competitor against trump, even if mike pence doesy which my sources tell me it's quite possible at this point, that he would take on his former boss in a cruded gop primary. >> it is certainly going to be crowded. >> well, look, donald trump might want crowded, but again what i find so interesting is the lawmakers encouraging him in front of each other, encouraging mike pence to run. i just can't imagine that being something we would have seen eight months ago. >> it's remarkable. it's something everyone had a suspicion that pence was headed for obviously. anyway, gabby and melanie, thank you so much for that reporting. we will make sure to stay on top of this. >>> meanwhile, there is a mysterious bundle of string that was seen on the surface of mars. >> what? >> looks like floss. >>> plus president biden heads to pennsylvania today as crime rises in certain places in the country. ahead, new white house adviser keisha lance bottoms will join us. (dog barking) we love our pets. but we don't always love their hair. which is why we made

it is insane. >> mike pence will not stick up for donald trump! mike pence, trader! traiter! >> mike pence has screwed us. in case you haven't heard it yet. >> what happened? what's happened? >> i keep hearing that mike pence screwed us. that's the word. i keep hearing reports on mike pence has screwed us. >> did people appear angry as you were walking to the capitol? >> yeah, a lot of people, a lot of people seem like they were very upset. >> tell us some of the things that we're saying if you recall. >> oh, there were saying all types -- people were screaming all types of stuff. they're mad that vice president pence was going to accept the electorals. i mean, it was -- if you could think it out you are hearing it. >> i believe that the president -- vice president pence was going to certify the electoral votes -- or not certify them. i guess that has just changed, correct? and it's a big disappointment. i think there's several hundred thousand people here that are very disappointed. >> president trump did not try to calm his thousands of disappointed supporters. instead, it

and in the face of that pressure, mike pence was acting.ld be commended for that. but i think that's the key, those types of facts that came out last night are very troubling for the former president, especially as the justice department is looking at it, and don't forget, fulton county, georgia. >> don't forget the state, grand jury, ongoing right now, and to your point about doj, at this point, after this hearing concluded and, by the way, we know there will be more in september, what do you think the chances are, jim, that president trump emerges from all of these hearings when they're done and from a doj probe and from the state criminal probe in georgia without facing charges? what are the chances? >> look, i think it is very likely he's charged and likely charged in both aspects, both federally and at the state level. there is a bigger question at the federal level and attorney general garland has some big decisions to make. but there is a lot of work to be done at the justice department. remember, they have just kind of started, they

] >> mike pence, traitor. >> mike pence screwed us, in case you haven't heard yet. that's the word. mike pence has screwed us. >> this all comes as we're learning on january 7th, the day after the mob of extremists was calling for pence's head, trump didn't want to condemn the violence. not only did he wait hours in the face of pleas from everyone around him to condemn it, but the january 6th committee is now sharing this new image. this is a draft of the speech that trump would eventually give on january 7th. you can see trump crossing out a number of lines in his trademark black sharpie, including the third graph where he refused to call for his supporters who stormed the capitol to be prosecuted. the line that he crossed out was, i am directing the department of justice to insure all law breakers are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. we must send a clear message. not with mercy but with justice. legal consequences must be swift and firm. he crossed it out. and in case there's anyone questioning who actually make these damning edits with the black sharp

but, look, the divide has been stark in that when subpoenaed, pences people and in pence's orbit came forward and cooperated with what they were asked for. in the case of greg jacob he testified publicly and then you have bannon and mark meadows, peter navarro and dan scavino who has been stonewalling committee. in the case of bannon, he's been found guilty of his contempt charges but nevertheless that divide is something that the committee is watching too. because as we were talking about yesterday, there is still twhn active conversation about whether or not they want to talk to pence and trump and they know that there has been a difference in how their orbits have reacted and in those would men could be asked or even subpoenaed to come in. >> a journalist who always shows up. ali vitali, thank you. >>> and with all of this as a back drop, president trump will return to washington for the first time since he left the white house the morning of president biden's inauguration. a year and a half later, he is set to speak at a summit hosted by the america first policy institute at a hot

getting mike pence to attempt a coup. >> if mike pence does the right thing, we win the election. >> i hope mike has the courage to do what he has to do. >> and trump kept pushing pence on this as late as january 4th and those other unlawful plots were reemerging as a kind of pretext even though, as you've seen, they didn't all work. indeed, senate republicans were trying to get that fraudulent elector material to pence on that very day, with pence's aide pushing back, don't give him that, that's the electoral fraud stuff. this was, as you see on your screen, within roughly 20 minutes of mike pence arriving. and over 130 republicans did vote to object to the certification, including eight republican senators. so these different disparate plots are not disparate. they all congeal. and then you have trump sending what he knew were armed people to the capitol at a point where he knew he needed something more joyce white vance than all of those other seven ford plots he tried. >> i've heard the president say something to the effect of, i don't care that they had weapons. they are not her

however, on the crucial question of certification, he did vote to certify. >> but pence -- what penceoing to be very hard to do. this is not a republican party that is in any significant measure ready to throw trump over the edge of the boat. >> right. and that's what i find interesting. you know, it's one thing what republicans will say to each other, republican elected officials will say to each other in a closed room where they hope it doesn't leak to people like jonathan. >> they have to know that it will. >> it's another thing, what are they willing to say to their most conservative constituents. what are they willing to say in front of a camera or a podcast with the crowd that is more likely to want to hear from tucker carlson or steve bannon than perhaps a member of congress. that's the problem that pence is going to have when it comes time to run for president if he so chooses. he doesn't have to convince the people in the middle or the democrats. he's got to convince those members of the republican party who by and large still believe in the big lie. >> and of course the janu

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if mike pence runs, i'm voting for mike pence. >> okay. so, why is that?, you know, everyone's seen the january 6th committee. he stood up for democracy that day. he's like, i'm not leaving the capitol because i need to be here. and he was the one that was making phone calls to the military and trying to fix the situation, while trump was crying in the dining room. >> but even among this crowd, there is sympathy for trump's election lies and support for a 2024 run. >> you're about see pence speak here. trump's not a big fan of him right now. >> i understand that. i hear that he could have not certified those results, pending all the claims of the fraud. and i wish he would have done that. >> pence had no legal basis to do that. also among those, rusty bowers, a life long republican and speaker of the arizona state house. >> we're talking to a lot of people in here today who say they're not even -- they're not watching the january 6th hearings. they still believe -- >> i know. >> -- the lies about the 2020 election. what is your message to them? >> i have n

pence primary. >> i'm probably still going to go for trump on this one. >> i wouldn't vote for mike pence because of everything that he has done with the whole january 6th thing. >> on the stage is missouri senator josh hawley, the big headliner tomorrow night is former president donald trump who is widely credited with getting ron desantis elected in the first place. sanity only won by 32,000 votes in 2018 out of 8 million votes. bret? >> phil keating is tampa thanks. twitter loss. wall street off guard with the number of people using that platform actually on the rise. the latest quarterly earnings figures offered a glimpts into how the social media platform has performed during a month's long negotiation with elon musk after he promised to buy that company and then changed his mind. stocks were off today the dow lost 138 the s&p 500 fell 37. the nasdaq dropped 235 and a half. for the week the dow was up almost 2 percentage points the 17500 two and a half. the nasdaq three and a third. president biden is again taking credit for recent declines in gasoline prices. this comes even though

if mike pence runs, i'm voting for mike pence. >> okay, why is? the january six committee. he stood up for democracy that day. he's like, i'm not leaving the capital because i need to be here. he was the one that was making phone calls to the military, trying to fix the situation while trump was crying in the dining room. >> even among this crowd there is sympathy for trump's election lies. -- you're about to see, pence speak here trump's not a big fan of him right. now >> i understand, that i hear that he could have not certified the results pending all the claims of fraud. i wish we would've done >> that pence had no legal basis to do that, also among those here rusty bowers, a lifelong republican and speaker of the arizona state house. >> i've been talking to a lot of people here today, they're not watching the january six hearings, they still believe lies about the 2020 election. what's your message to them? >> i have no message for them, i can help them, if you don't want to look, you don't want to see, then you won't see. i've seen enough to

what was your reaction to the president's tweet about vice president pence? so it was obvious that the situation at the capitol was violent and escalating quickly. >> and so i thought that the tweet about the vice president was the last thing that was needed in that moment. and i. >> i remember thinking >> this was going to be bad for him to tweet. that's because it was essentially him giving the green light to these >> people telling them that what they were doing at the steps of the capitol and entering the capitol was ok, but they were justified in their anger and he shouldn't have been doing that. he should have been telling these people to go home and to leave and to condemn the violence that we're seeing and i'm someone who has worked with him. you know, i worked on the campaign, traveled all around the country, going to countless rallies with him and i've seen the impact that his words have on his supporters. they truly latch on to every word and every tweet he says. and so i think that in that moment for him to tweet out the message about mike pence,

they were shouting pence as a punk. they're shining hang mike pence. congressman gloria said that the chief white house photographer. she was asked to stop taking pictures of the president in the dining room for the archives. give us historical perspective. put into context. what was this like for richard nixon? >> well richard nixon looks like an angelic cherub compared to everything we're learning about donald trump. he is certainly violated the constitution, he has certainly deserved to be driven out of office, and i don't even think that the jury should pardon him. because enter people like donald trump, who can abuse power in the presidency, and you can get away with it forever. but put all the presents of nine states, except for trump, and one category. but donald trump on the other category. category number two is all those presidents who tried to destroy our democracy and steal an election in order to stay at legally in power. no other president comes near to even imagine that. and i think before these hearings americans have sort of forgotten

two minutes later mike pence gets evacuated, the rioters come within 40 feet of mike pence and his detail causing members of the secret service to fear for their lives. and if i'm looking at this from a prosecutorial angle, the dereliction of duty, the failure to act is important. that 2:24 tweet that jumps out at me because that's an affirmative act. >> you also say we saw last night corroboration from testimony we had seen before from cassidy hutchinson. let's see that. >> when you say he did, is that your word or is that the word that was described by the agent? >> word described by the ts agent, meaning that the president was upset and he was saying there was a heated argument or discussion about going to the capitol. >> well, this is more corroboration, more support for cassidy hutchinson on a critical point. it often happens in investigations where a witness will tell you something important and another witness will deny it but you just don't throw up your hands, you dig into the evidence, you use your common sense. if we do that here, cassidy hutchinson testifies under oath that sh

pence refused. we know the prosecutors have also been investigating fundraising and organizing for the political rally that served to instigate the riot as well as efforts to subvert the electoral college vote count. evan perez, cnn, washington. >> this is not the first time investigators have heard from marc short and greg jacob. they spoke previously with the house committee. ryan nobles has more from capitol hill. >> reporter: both jacobs and marc short were really kind of the first big witnesses that the january 6 select committee were able to cooperate that were inside that orbit of the white house, the oval office, the west wing and days leading up to january 6. and what their testimony revealed to the committee at that time was the intense pressure campaign that was put on vice president mike pence during that period of time and the steps that pence stood to resist that. it also really shed a light on things like the fake elector plot that was going on around the country. these were all thing

how senior were they, at least in mike pence world?e incredibly significant, and incredibly senior in the trump white house. of course mark short was chief of staff to vice president mike pence. before, that was devastated for the trump white house. so, he was the face of the trump white house going to congress, negotiating with lawmakers. so, this is someone who is very familiar with the former president. president trump could not begin to even try to live up the fact that he doesn't know marc short. and mark short was incredibly important meetings. i think what's important about who marc short is in the world that is coming from is, that the vice president's office and mark short himself, we have not wanted to talk about january six too much. they have not wanted to sort of focus on it, because mark mike pence has been talking about inflation, but when you asked pence people, and i am including marc short, about january six, they don't hold back. marc short has been very clear and i talked to him last week out of the january 6th hear