that's where i would pendulate. i've conducted them every single season since 1961. i've passed my 50 year mark with both orchestras as with the israelis too. >> you have conducted orchestras in sarajevo and kashmir. there seems to be conflict that draws one another, what is that? >> we plus not stop use our art to help people, bring people together. the sarajevo, we played a concert in the bombed courtyard of an islam ick library. one of the first things that the sesh serbs bombed was the courtyard of book. no public could be allowed it was only for television. but we did the rehearsals in the non-bombed theater. where three or four times it was full and the sarajevo public came to listen. it was my lifelong dream to have muslims and hindus, come and listen together. i didn't change history from the end of that concert but they sat together and heard beethoven and tc hykofsky. >> india is very important to you. i wonder if you could describe your path from india to israel, i know it's a very long story. >> no, i'm still an indian with my pas passport. i studied in b