. >> one thing -- i haven't said that public before but john signed with penguin press to do a book that'ssort of -- calling the mesh mind as a starting point and we thought we said everything we need today say in it and then the university is much crazier in the year after we wrote it than we ever saw it coming and, you know, we are very serious about this -- the idea that this is based on a bad psychological model, not one that isn't keeping with the actual current research but precisely the opposite. i put it this way to students, if you were to go to a psychologist and he were to take you by the shoulders and say, you're very fragile and if you hear things that bother you, you're going to be done forever. that psychologist would be fired. we are creating this psychological term, self-fulfilling prophecy. and students increasingly going to seek psychological help for oppression. i also take psychology seriously but i don't want it to be abused. but ends up disempowering students and they are making them feel like they are fragile, making them feel like they have no choice. but as far as