touch on e-mail, in particular one gentleman who ended up being the one who helped us visit the peninsula patriots in virginia. he regularly sends me e-mails attacking occupy. it's much more on his mind than anybody i know. and i think that occupy is sort of fun anti-symbol for the tea partiers. they resent it very much, as far as i can tell from my e-mail traffic, that it got a lot of attention for a while, and they also, the list that peter sends the our list of criminal acts in the occupy camps. but there are lists and he sends me less supportable things that obama is doing, and lists of horrible things that the unions and the naacp are good but the principle here is that any organized force proceed to be on the left is really key dawn as an enemy. -- teed up on as an enemy. >> i'm wondering if you could talk a bit about the question of race that's implicit in a lot of things, and it may be very difficult to talk with even the context of your interviews, but for a lot of people into their in many different guys. i wonder if you talk about a bit? >> i'll start. i think we both say something abou