stalemate there especially with the neighborhood people not really wanting to do anything but you know penlallize the club, and i think that's not the best solution for this area and i hope that we can pull together and really come up with some change that we can implement soon, and i just wanted to say ten tentatively december 12 we will have a north beach holiday party for neighbors on broadway. we feel that it is important to get people there and to start having an open dialogue, and so we hope to move forward with that, and ask for help along the way. >> i have a question for jocelyn. so are we here november 6 or not because it's election day? >> well again that's a commission decision. at the staff level are open to canceling that meeting if the commission so desires. i think we kept appointments off calendar for the most part so it's fairly easy based on some concern about quorum in general on election day, so i don't know if that's something -- >> i was going to mention it too. i will be gone. i will be traveling so i will miss the two meetings -- if we have two meetings i will miss both i