i agree with almost everything that you just said, penn. look, the tragedy is in afghanistan is we're nine years into this thing and, man, honestly i hope i'm wrong but i don't see a way out any time soon. it's bad. >> we're just killing people we shouldn't be killing. >> larry: dana, do you see an end game? >> well, i think petraeus is one of the first smart decisions this administration has made when it comes to afghanistan because petraeus was the guy who interestingly enough the petraeus stuff was scrubbed from move on and now people are treating him like he's prom queen. this is a good decision. he'll get the job done and minimize casualties and get in and get it done. >> we don't know what the job is. we have no idea what the job is. the no job to get done just killing people and wasting money. >> we're not killing people. >> we're killing people. >> we're not just going over there -- >> larry: one at a time. >> larry, i hate it when i come on this show and get flanked on the left but -- >> stop the war. just stop it. don't kill peopl

she actually went and talked to the people that, sean penn did a documentary about. >> larry: peoplesely charged? >> yes, she talked to the victims, the children now adults that had been manipulated into this talked to many of the nationally renowned experts. >> larry: the mcmartin case. those children were manipulated. i interviewed the children. i remember they were manipulated. >> i remember that you did. i was teaching psychology at the time. i remember that you did that. you were as shocked as all of us. >> larry: halfway through the show, i knew that the kids were not lying. they were being coached. >> it was pretty clear that you picked that up immediately. unfortunately, larry, the kinds of interviews that were done in tonya's case and done repeatedly throughout the country put ideas into kids' heads so that the kids are victims of false memory. >> larry: who was after her? >> well -- >> larry: the child had to come home and say something the parent wouldn't just say, well. >> actually, i got to cross-examine the children. and the story. >> larry: how old when you cross-exami

management and the team that they volunteered to use to help us to do the training, we just -- sean penn has an n.g.o. organization in haiti, and they're managing a camp of 60,000 people in haiti. so he volunteered for his organization to support us, to train in their camp first. so we just completed the training and the certificate ceremony for 415 haitian women, train the trainer in haiti, and that one camp, and it was so well received that they had literally -- literally had to turn people away. they wanted to help so bad. and our hope is now that some n.g.o. and organization will pick this up and help us. our goal was to train 20,000 people in haiti in one year. but, of course, now it's more difficult, but we can still do it, but we're going to have some help to do it. i'm going to close with this, and i know you're very glad. each of us, no matter who you are, you can make a difference in someone's life. you can help a neighbor. you can help yourself and your family, or you can help the business you're working in, just develop a family plan for your family. if you got kids or grand

this is where sean penn is working with his ngo. there are 50,000 people on the hillside, right on top of each other, with a number of privacy issues and other safety issues. in addition, all of the water -- you can even see it -- the smallest trickles -- i saw people carrying water. maybe they would drop it. you would see the trickle go down. you can imagine, if it were magnified, what effect would be on the ability to live in these little four by four spaces in which their whole family is living. everywhere you look, you see spontaneous settlements in backyards. you see them on street corners. you see them in open fields and on golf courses. you see them in places that used to be places of celebration, like across the street from the presidential palace. there is a very large area there that used to be a place where people would celebrate large events. it was a part and stretched for quite a bit of distance in front of the presidential palace. now it is home to something like 25,000 to 50,000 people. >> those inssghts which are su

sean penn volunteered for his organization to support us to train in their camp first. we have just completed the training and a certificate ceremony for 415 asian women in that one can -- 415 haitian women in that one camp. it was so well-received, they had to turn people away. the wanted to help so bad. we hope that some ngos or organization will pick this up to help us. we wanted trained 20,000 people in the bank in one year. it is more difficult, but we will have to have help to do it/ -- do it. i will close with this, and i know you are very glad. each of us, no matter who you are, you can make a difference in someone's life. you can help a neighbor. you can help yourself and your family. you can help the business you work in. develop a family plan for your family. if you have children or grandchildren in school, if you have -- most families mothers and fathers are working. if you are at work in your kids are in school and something happens, where will they go? what will they do? haev a p -- have a plan of where you will meet or someone that lives outside of the st