penny wheeler is a gynecologist and obstetrician who now runs allina health with its 11 hospitals andore than 90 clinics throughout minnesota and western wisconsin. as president and ceo, dr. wheeler overseas a staff of more than 29,000 employees. >> my job is to try to learn from them and get barriers that are creating barriers to their care or their roles out of the way. that's how i approach leadership. i sure hope i'm not a pain in the butt. >> here at fordham, there is no i on me. >> reporter: father joseph mcshane is a jesuit priest and the president for the university in new york. in normal times, he'd be getting ready to preside over commencement ceremonies. these clearly are not normal times. what more can we do? how can we be more present in the moment, which doesn't allow us to be present physically? how can we be present to our people? >> reporter: they may have little in common in terms of background and training, but each of them, warrior, doctor, and priest is an accomplished leader. what do you think are the most important elements of leadership? >> that's a tough quest

penny wheeler is a gynecologist and obstetrician, which now runs alina hill.president and c.e.o., dr. wheeler oversees a staff of over 29,000 employees. >> my job is to try to learn from them and get barriers that creating barriers to their care or their growth out of the way. that's how i approach leadership. i sure hope i'm not a pain in the butt. >> here at fordham... >> dr. jove joseph mcshane is a jes wut jesuit priest. in normal times, he would be getting ready to preside over commencement ceremonies. these clearly are not normal times. >> what more can we do? how can we be more present in a moment that doesn't allow us to be present physically? how can we be present to our people. >> they may have little in common in terms of background and training, but each of them, warrior, doctor, and priest, is an accomplished leader. what do you think are the most important elements of leadership? >> that's a tough question. i think you have to begin with self-knowledge. number two, you have to know what your priorities are. and, number three, you have to be wise

wheeler's quantum foam. that should be great. well, if you want, you can come with me. ah, i'd love to, but i'm supposed to hang out with penny.. well, she's not really into that kind of stuff. yeah, okay. well, if you want to hear about the lecture, i can tell you all about it at work, or, you know, over dinner sometime. what? jenga, i win! ♪ our whole universe was in a hot, dense state ♪ ♪ then nearly 14 billion years ago expansion started... wait! ♪ ♪ the earth began to cool ♪ the autotrophs began to drool, neanderthals developed tools ♪ ♪ we built the wall ♪ we built the pyramids ♪ ♪ math, science, history, unraveling the mystery ♪ ♪ that all started with a big bang ♪ ♪ bang! ♪ captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org