. >> we say pentacostal.hat is one of the fiery briem stone. >> yeah, yeah. >> can i say hell in a church? >> what the hell. >> you are going to hell. if you don't live like this, you are going to hell. >> yeah. and i was 16. you know, i was a child. you know, being in a strict household, parents very well known. but, yet, that was a decision that i could not walk away from. it was life or death. and, so, by the time 16 came, i wake up, as my mother would say, and now she has a daughter. >> and how did your family respond? >> oh. it was a challenge, you know. they didn't know what to do. of course at this time, this was 24 years ago, almost 25. there was no terminology. so they used to mix, you know, gender identity with sexual orientation. so, you know, it was always about, you know, i'm running around being gay. so it was very difficult for me to even advocate, to educate my parents. so i had to withstand, you know, the rejection. i had to withstand, you know, if i don't get my life right, you know, you are