military analyst who famously it leaked to the pentagon papers in one nine hundred seventy want he'salso the author of the book secrets a memoir of vietnam and the pentagon papers i first asked him if you think this has been a good here or a bad year for journalism on one hand we saw trove of documents that were reported on but only because the wiki leaks was willing to release them and we know that our mainstream press might not have done the same. well it's true every child in the major leak of any sort whether it's the pentagon papers forty years ago it was in the pages or particularly claimed to be and as a wiretap one of the church up that for which the. new york times got a pulitzer prize after sitting on it for a year it's a request of the government in any such case it would be well for readers and journalists both to look back and say why didn't we have this before who is legit for we to go of all those it too easy to fool us and who did the fooling and should be listening to those people with the same credibility as before very little of that seems to go on that retrospecti

right they just got declassified about forty years after the pentagon papers are out there and the papers are writing about them so what do you think it is where does the thought process come from that even though papers are out there are documents are out there on the internet for everyone to see you still keep them classified technically i think your point is right it's really revealing to see what they withhold you know what the pentagon papers just this year they were finally released and even then they wanted to withhold twelve words which they thought were still too secret for the american public to know but i think a lot of it just comes down to the fact the people at the state department don't really seem to understand what the internet is i remember after the wiki leaks documents came out they held this big press conference where the spokesperson for the state department got up there and said it would be leaks needs to return this classified material of the crime is ongoing until they do and all the journalists just laughter like how can they return the material it's u

including bus loads from the occupy wall street protests that is also when daniel ellsberg the pentagon papers whistleblower is scheduled to speak now we will be talking a lot about the implications of his case today but i want to give you a quick look at the ins and outs of the case what has both been revealed about him and about the u.s. government leading up to his appearance today in the courtroom. it was this video. of u.s. army pilots in iraq eagerly firing shots at innocent people on the ground and hundreds of thousands of secret military documents and cables leaked to wiki leaks there have been some criminal acts committed by u.s. government employees and those employees have never been held accountable for them all this made public over a year and a half ago by bradley manning a twenty two year old army private turned whistleblower for the past eighteen months that bradley manning has been behind bars has become somewhat of a symbol to his supporters he represents the extreme secrecy and lack of transparency within the u.s. government and the documents that make up like reveal that th

a lot of things in the pentagon papers were known. it gave more credibility to what publicthe time nixon's failing again to protest of the vietnam war. the impression now is that the country was totally in uproar against the war in vietnam in the late 1960's. it really was not. it was split. >> you have the 1970 anti-war contest -- protests, the can -- kent state shootings, those kinds of things. >> these are things nixon very effectively played on. there were just as many people who deplored the mess in the streets, the pictures of these wild-looking young people with their long hair, a strange clothes. they offended mainstream america -- mainstream america. of the war was a particularly -- was particularly effective with dealing with the democratic situation. it was a rallying point for boaters and activist -- voters and activists. nixon also made great use of the war by making slanderous remarks against people who demonstrated. he ran in 1968 and again in 1972 on a law and order agenda. he was going to protect the american people f

one nine hundred seventy one he's also author of the book secrets a memoir of vietnam and the pentagon papers daniel we're so happy to have you again on the show tonight and you and i have spoken about the case of bradley manning but i want to know specifically what you think of the way that this pretrial hearing is going on finally after more than eighteen months are you seeing a day in court but all the details that i just mentioned in terms of how closed off it is to the press what do you make of that. well of course it is good at last that he's having the chance to have a lawyer call witnesses and. question the prosecution's witnesses and there's less to represent him in court after these almost two years now that he's he's been suffering what amounts to pretrial punishment i was thinking about sort of like the red queen in alice in wonderland punishment first this case sentence later trial after all if ever actually it's it's rather in line with what the senate and i was just passed the other day and i guess obama is about to sign if he hasn't already and that allows for military courts

a lot of things in the pentagon papers were known. it gave more credibility to what was, at the time, mixed public feelings about protesting the vietnam war. the impression now is that the country was totally in uproar against the war in vietnam in the late 1960's. it really was not. it was split. >> you have the 1970 anti-war protests, the kent state shootings, those kinds of things. >> these are things nixon very effectively played on. there were just as many people who deplored the mess in the streets, the pictures of these wild-looking young people with their long hair, strange clothes. they offended mainstream america. the war was particularly effective with dealing with the democratic situation. it was a rallying point for voters and activists. nixon also made great use of the war by making slanderous remarks against people who demonstrated. he ran in 1968 and again in 1972 on a law-and-order agenda. he was going to protect the american people from these rallies who were starting fires and having rallies in the streets. that is

allegedly released was classified top secret now daniel ellsberg good point during the time of the pentagon papers everything he released was top secret and yet what ok let's analyze his analyze is lesser way sees me less or less or that's lesser classification secret like it's not his fault and they're usually hundreds of thousands and it's not his call to have access to the same thing if you're a twenty one year olds now is a call to make a evidence of your government committing war crimes we told them at nuremberg we told the germans that they had a duty to not obey illegal orders it was over that point what he tried is not all done here so a man is a us not bradley manning is called a may ok the us constitution by binds us to international treaties and us law so if he is guilty of what he is accused of he was trying to uphold the constitution ok see it in you when you have an answer go ahead yes the one who authorized the private in the army to release this information how do you think the president of yemen feels when bradley manning outed the fact that he's helping americans against al qaeda

military analyst who famously leaked the pentagon papers in one thousand nine hundred eighty one and kevin does still a civil liberties blogger for firedoglake and i want to thank you both for joining us tonight and kevin i want to start with you because i know that you've been covering this pretrial hearing from the moment that it began and specifically about this news today that they think they found a chat between manning and another user named julian assigned to us more details but i would say this is the closest that we have gotten to seeing the prosecution actually prove there is some sort of link between julia songe and bradley manning and i would say that. it is very evident now that manning was actively seeking out information about wiki leaks and the prosecution has raised numerous times that he was interested in iceland which was a base of operations so in that sense i mean can we say this is kind of damning news for bradley manning or perhaps even for julian assan she was always claimed that he didn't know or he does not know who his sources are what do you think daniel.

time was advised say not to publish the pentagon papers and even told the times they couldn't defendthe times in the court and the times got new lawyers. c-span: to go back to the cutback to the fact the metro reporters called the story started to process, but people involved. when did you get involved? >> guest: friday. they were not working on it long and joe came into my office to briefly about the story friday. c-span: for the process -- >> guest: it was competitive and sensitive so it's not like a broadcast. c-span: you hold it inside even close. >> guest: on a story like that, yes and the nsa as well. c-span: who decides what goes on the web? >> guest: i decide. i decided only bill keller would have decided. he was out of the country at the time that story happened and of course the executive editor would usually make the call but since he was gone i did. c-span: who decides what the hid linus? >> guest: the headline writers brought a couple of headlines to me and all i remember just approving one of them but i saw the headline before it. c-span: the reporter has nothing to say

in the pentagon papers and other famous cases, we have seen the courts go up against very strong nationalecurity arguments, and the argument being, hey, you endangered the nation, or this could have gotten our brave men and women in the field killed, and the courts have said that there's the right to publish. the difference here, and even i think steadfast defenders of wikileaks acknowledge this, that the difference is under current u.s. law, you can't be in the military -- and i'm not passing judgment here, you know, we don't know the whole story -- but you cannot be in the military and take material s a release them. so that accusation is the problem. whether that widens the net out in other ways is a different question. and briefly, i want to add there are ambassadors and other people who have had to resign. there are real things that have happened both good in the sense of tunisia and corruption being exposed and both bad from the u.s. context where diplomacy was interfered. >> i totally agree with ari. the martyrization of bradley manning is very troubling. because if lots of soldier

paper. >> keller: that's thee3 reality. the pentagonts too, but i ddn't think too many people think they were not a momentous contribution to the national conversation. i think the wikileaks documents have done, done that too, not only in the united states, but in a lot of countries wheee the &-tangible.been perhaps more >> smith: right.3 >> keller: tunisia, for example. so no, i -- you know, e are in a business that agonizzs over our ethics, rightty ss, on every occasion. anddwe've talked about it a lot in this case, but i don't -- i don't feel a sense that we did something wrong. >> smith: another thing that happened -- we have a ew minutes left and i want to ask you about ttis, that happened in yourrtenure is you created the public editor's osiiion, which is basically a proctological exammnation of the times' processes and ultimately, it's like the most extraordinary self examination. about that? i read those columns occasionally and i wince on3 your behalf and on the &-wish i had actually never done this, but in a year of better to

paper tiger. >> the press has started in about -- >> this new threat to the pentagon arises because of the gridlockngress over the budget deficit. many republicans say the military must be scared, and democrats say they must share the pain. but the point is, the consensus that funded president bush's wars has gone and threats to defense spending and a part of the negotiating process. if the budgetary pressures are intense, what about the consequences in the wider world? in iraq, the minute final u.s. withdrawal has been blamed, in part, by some critics on the desire to trade security for money. meanwhile, an afghanistan and pakistan, plans to accelerate the draw down their have increased tensions with local politicians who are planning to anti-american public opinion. >> the pentagon's top servicemen took command at a time of flux. the scale of cuts from congressional budget negotiations is not yet clear. but the salient thing is that the post-9/11 consensus about funding the military is over, and america's politicians are no longer in step. >> my colleague has been speaking to general martin demps

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play that the key reason there the pentagon can stay in iraq was the fact that the ben don't kill too many iraqi civilians and no one was ever held accountable in both papers gave us the symbolic example of this massacre he did the in two thousand and five but both pointed out that this is simply example of something that happened all over the country again i think this points to the absurdity of senator mccain's apparent believe that there's something magical. about u.s. military forces. can make the assault political problems with the events that we see in iraq today are a political brawl. in our u.s. military troops a solution to. robert naiman the policy director of the just foreign policy think tank many thanks. now a russian soyuz spacecraft carrying a three if you check into national space station crew members has the last minute to space and as a near orbit the soyuz stuff that of new to develop digit equipment is expected to reach the i.s.o.'s on friday off he said he said now he was unlucky witness that won't. lie is rocket just about to blast off here from baikonur cosmodrome conflicts and let's take a look at this site. absolutely credible ther