i mean, the pentagon papers and in that situation, obviously, daniel elsburg was the source for that material coming out of the pentagon. that material exposed really terrible, terrible official lies but the u.s. government. lies about the progress of the vietnam war, and that made that material so consequenceal because of that. in this case the material has, you know, provided a window onto like the scale of eavesdropping and all kinds of troubling things. certainly, some misstatements by officials, but i'm not sure they've exposed a wholesale cover-up and public lying over years and years the way the pentagon papers did. >> on the editorial page, "the times" editorialized saying that edward snowden should be considered for amnesty. you get involved with the editorials? >> i don't. i have no involvement. >> so you don't write editorials ever? >> i don't. i don't even know what the editorials are going to be the next day. there's a pretty strict -- we call it the chinese wall here between the opinion side of "the times" and the news side, and i'm on the news side. >> so do you agree o

pentagon papers and the largest until edward snowden. now, as far as i'm aware, the government has not produced one scrap of evidence to back up the claims that he has actually harmed either procedures or people entirely. so those have to be taken very skeptically where judgment would differ from him. by the way, he very explicitly said he didn't want his own judgment to be the last word on this. he gave it to the journalists and returned to newspapers with very explicit warnings that they should exercise their own judgment and i think all of the items that you've been alluding to referred in "the washington post" which was found

any person has been harmed as a result of those revelations, which was the largest since the pentagon papers and the largest until edward snowden. now, as far as i'm aware, the government has not produced one

analyst who gave the infamous pentagon papers to "the new york times" back in 1971. mr. ells berg, thank you so much for being here. why has the organization decided to add snowden to the board of directors even though he's not actually a journalist? >> well, i'm not a journalist either. in fact, i'm a source. the same sort that he had ward snowden has been. and he represents the values, i think, of the freedom of the press foundation, freedomfoundation.org. it's essential to the first amendment, freedom of the press, and of speech. you can't have investigative journalism in the foreign policy or so-called defense area

him a hero ellsberg is not considered generally in the heroic and disney is because what the pentagon papers showed is massive deception and concealment a rat's nest of lies about the vietnam war. what do you think of russia harbor and snow. you know that's clearly we don't have the greatest relations with putin but if somebody had brought us massive secrets and are standing eighty thousand documents from russia. and they asked for asylum i think there's a possibility we would give that russian woodenly and certainly the you know knowledge is power and so i'm sure we would love to have something like that what's going on here bob in the city we love. this intransigents this. shutdown of the government is me against you this i'm not don't leave disagree with you i hate you what's going on i think i hope it's not hate i mean that's what it sounds like is that i'm out in california sounds like a it sounds like hate i don't think it's hate i think it is a failure to accommodate and compromise and one of the things i found in the price of politics about good all in all the negotiations between sp

i mean, the pentagon papers, you know, in that situation daniel ellsberg was the source for that material coming out of the pentagon. that material exposed really terrible terrible official lies by the u.s. government. lies about the progress of vietnam war. it made that material to consequential because of that. in this case the material has, you know, provided a window on to, like, the scale of eavesdropping and all scoined of troubling things. and certainly misstatements by officials. i'm not sure that they have ex-most a whole-sale cover up and public lying over years and years. >> you disagree with editorial opinion when it comes to edward snowden and amnesty, or do you have an opinion. >> i don't have an opinion. i value the fact that by going what he did. node did help the new york times keep the public informed on what i consider to be important matters. >> you can see the interview at the top of the hour. jill abe ram son talks about the edward snowden story. that's at the top of this hour. 7:00 pm eastern, 4:00 pm pacific. >> a pipeline carrying gas through canada exploded sendi

anything that he deemed harmful now you know clearly broke the law like daniel ellsberg and the pentagon papers broke the law and. we're going to see i wouldn't i certainly wouldn't call him a hero ellsberg is now generally in the heroic and disney years because what the pentagon papers showed is massive deception and concealment a rat's nest of lies about the vietnam war. that's going to do for now but from our the stories we cover check out our you tube channel that. com slash r.t. america you can also check out our website our com slash usa and you can also follow on twitter as well as walter now have a great night. millions around the globe struggle with hunger each good. what if someone offers a lifetime food supply no charge. they can they're very strong against g.m.o. and we think that's. the genetic anymore the right products are pretty. out there is no. evidence to this any problem with genetic engineering when you make a deal. or is free cheese always in a mouse trap i don't believe that. three. is profit.

earlier, i spoke with daniel ellsberg, the man who leaked the classified pentagon papers about presidentdent was not even band-aids or aspirin for the fourth amendment, which is near death. it was sugar pills, basically placebos. it didn't pretend anything. it didn't, i think, have any effect at all. when it comes to protecting, defending, supporting the fourth amendment to the constitution and the first amendment, edward snowden has done more than any member of congress, any official in the united states, going up to the president himself. >> that was daniel ellsberg, the man who leaked the pentagon papers decades ago. >>> coming up next hour, a very different voice. we'll ask tech pioneer john mcafee about obama's nsa reforms, plus we'll talk to mcafee about his time on the run in central america. >>> the target data breach has affected millions of shoppers and the target brand has taken a big hit in the public eye. so let's talk about it with martha pease, a strategic marketing consultant and ceo of demandworks.com. martha, good to see you. thank you for joining us. >> good to see you

vet this material and make choices as newspapers, just like going to new york times with the pentagon papers, i'm trusting you to make the decisions on what should be published and what should be. if you are upset ub the publishing, direct the criticism to them for publishing it, not for snowden for bringing the term to them. glen, about community when it comes to the prosecution or given clemency, they are erroring on the side of clemency. the people in the united states needed to know about the monitoring. jonathan saying a resounding yes. it is atrocious how we are blind and uncaring, but on the flip side snowden did it for the money and started when he was young. >> all right, so you like online gaming? >> yes. >> new meaning to the spy games and glen we'll keep answering your questions when we come back. attention and they care and the story continues to be one of the significant news stories in the world and sparking intense debate. as far as the stories about economic spying and the like, a huge bulk of the spying doesn't even argue have anything to do with the terrorist and spying. t

host: the pentagon papers? guest: yes, like the whistleblower for the pentagon papers. journalists.to what is interesting is the president's comments yesterday -- one of the things the president said is, this debate will make us stronger. we would not be having this debate without edward snowden. if i was his- lawyer that is one of the first things i would tell the jury. how could you be charging this person as a traitor when the president himself said he has made the country stronger? didn't the president take credit for starting this debate before the leaks? guest: there was no debate before the leaks. i have been following this issue very closely. the nsa does what it wants. this is the first time since the wiretapping scandal of the bush administration and before that, the scandals that involved the church committee -- led to the beenh committee, there has almost no pushback on nsa spying. with regards to the comments of -- of spying as much as possible in the u.s., that is the attitude used in the stasi. -- in the stasi period. protect the country because everybody

analyst who gave the infamous pentagon papers to "the new york times" back in 1971. mr. ells berg, thank you so much for being here. why has the organization decided to add snowden to the board of directors even though he's not actually a journalist? >> well, i'm not a journalist either. in fact, i'm a source. the same sort that he had ward snowden has been. and he represents the values, i think, of the freedom of the press foundation, freedomfoundation.org. it's essential to the first amendment, freedom of the press, and of speech. you can't have investigative journalism in the foreign policy or so-called defense area without, putting it very bluntly, leaks of classified information because the secrecy system and classification system has been so abused, always, that the information that the public needs to know to be the sovereign public and to have an influence on these policies is routinely classified no matter what he conceals. so he's acted. he's put his life on the line. i admire him, personally, very much. he's a hero of mine. and we're very proud, actually, to h

the pentagon papers and, you know, and in that situation, obviously daniel elsburg was the source forthat material coming out of the pentagon. >> material exposed really terrible, terrible official lies by the u.s. government. lies about about the vietnam war. >> made that so consequential because of that. in this case, the material has, you know, provided a window on to, like, the scale of ease dropping and all kinds of troubling things. and some, you know, certainly misstatements by officials, but i am not sure they have exposed, you know, a wholesale cover-up and public lying over years and years the way the pentagon papers did. >> so do you agree, disagree with the evidently's opinion when it comes to edward snowden and amnesty, or do you have an opinion? >> i don't have an opinion. i value the fact that by doing what he did, edward snowden did help the "new york times" keep the public informed on what i consider to be very important matters. >> you can watch the rest of that interview on talk to al jazeera. >> that's at 1:00 a.m. eastern time. >>> el pasoing spoiler alert. a glea

as a responsible journalist to vet this material and make choices, in newspapers, just as the pentagon papers, i'm trusting to to make decisions about what should be published and what should not be. so you ought to direct your criticism to them to publish it, and not to edward snowden for bringing the material to them. >> glen, the overwhelming majority of our community, when it comes to the question of whether snowden should be prosecuted or given clemency: >> all right, so you like online gaming, raj? so does the nsa. >> welcome back, we're talking to journalist, glen greenwald about the scope of the nsa program. and recently it was exposed as a government online agent with world war games, and their mission to try to community with the guys. and it's unclear if any useable information came from this. so glen, what was the information from the surveillance that you were parley disturbed by that came out in the nsa documents that got lost in the snowden story? >> i think that the underlying point is the most important win, which is the the goal of the nsa is to eliminate privacy globally by

that group was founded by daniel elsberg who famously leaked the pentagon papers during the world wari war. >>> we could find out more about who knew what in the scandal over the closure of lanes on the george washington bridge. the port authority of new york and new jersey which indicates the bridge is set today to answer questions from the senate transportation committee about the closure now linked to two top aides to new jersey governor chris christie. christie, for his part, did address the scandal during, again, his state of the state address, saying his administration let the people of new jersey down. >> i'm the government. and i'm ultimately responsible for all that happens on my watch, both good and bad. without a doubt, we will cooperate with all appropriate inquiries to ensure that this breach of trust does not happen again. >> state lawmakers are ramping up their investigation into the lane closure, and whether christie may have lied when he said he knew nothing about it. this as a federal probe is looking into whether christie misused a tourism ad campaign featuring his

the man who leaked the pentagon papers gives his take on the president's speech and thinks why it vindicates the note. also what does a federal judge want on the argument of concussions. >>> a humorous take on our biggest generation. welcome to consider this. here is more on what's ahead. >> ill tell jones agencies cannot function without secrecy which makes their work less public to -- less subject to public debate. we cannot unilaterally disarm intelligence agencies. there is -- from the judge's perspective, she has to look out for the people who were not able to participate in negotiations. talking about as many as 20,000 plaintiffs. the were the first generation probably in the history of the world that had the opportunity to do what we wanted to do. >> we begin with the long-awaited recommends from president obama on reforming the spying powers of the ntsa. while defending-wide widespread surveillance, the president announced he was edging the collection of phone data as it exists today and vowed to stop eavesdropping on friendly allies. >> this will strengthen oversight of our intellig

as a responsible journalist to vet this material and make choices, in newspapers, just as the pentagon papers, i'm trusting to to make decisions about what should be published and what should not be. so you ought to direct your criticism to them to publish it, and not to edward snowden for bringing the material to them. >> glen, the overwhelming majority of our community, when it comes to the question of whether snowden should be prosecuted or given clemency: >> all right, so you like online gaming, raj? so does the nsa. >> every sunday night, al jazeera america brings you conversations you won't find anywhere else... >> your'e listening because you wanna see what happen... >> get your damn education... >> talk to al jazeera only on al jazeera america >> oh my... al jazeera america. we understand that every news story begins and ends with people. >> the efforts are focused on rescuing stranded residents. >> we pursue that story beyond the headline, pass the spokesperson, to the streets. >> thousands of riot police deployed across the capital. >> we put all of our global resources behind every

take ellsbury and the pentagon papers.uld have gone to jail for 35 years and the new york times gets a pulitzer prize for printing this stuff. thunderstorm a conflict of interest. >> i think what daniel ellsbury was best for the country and that came out around the time water gate was emerging. >> it was the year before. it was 1971. >> the problem with edward snowden is it's kind of a mixed bag here. it's undoubtically some of his leaks about the metta leaks and internal surveillance caught the government red handed in its inability to oversee what the nsa was doing. on the other hand these revelations about some of the nsa foreign spying like spying on foreign governments did significant diplomatic disadvantage to the state department, none of that was necessarily patriotic or helpful and i think it hurts his case for some kind of clemency or plea bargain. >> what do the polls show? >> do the polls show a percentage of the public that still thinks snowden betrayed the country? >> the majority think he's a whistleblower.

that's what the pentagon papers were all about.ike the whistle blowers of prior generations and we tend to view our own fairly harshly. i don't see the big distinction between what he has done and the pentagon papers. both were classified. both the government claimed hurt the security of the united states. pentagon papers are viewed as one of the high points for whistle blowing in the media. >> maybe snowden just has to wait 30 years and then come back to the united states. if snowden did want to come back, jonathan, would you like to represent him? >> i have two national security cases going right now. i need another one like a hole in the head. i think there will be plenty of people that would represent edward snowden. he is right about the problems in the legal system. my guess is he would have a very high chance of conviction. federal judges often limit what defendants can argue in their own defense. he his efforts to claim that he is a whistleblower could well be bard by emotion by the justice department. i expect they would d

the group that was started by the man who leaked the pentagon papers daniel tells bart. i spoke with just one race at the national security and human rights director of the government accountability project thus the start time ago. he first asked her what's known and will be doing for the freedom of the price foundation. well i tink it that day you'll be waiting and oppressive i like to hear each time a hitch as a symbolic moment that he is anticipating and subject to finally be in the united states despite the fact that the us has tried so hard to sideline him and freedom and a price foundation is an amazing organization because they are trying to foster heat and free journalism that protects both journalists and sources so i'm sure he had a lot to add to that discussion so does this mean that you will be remaining in balls and participating in future a whistle blowing at accounts and weeks. i mean in terms of future weeks. no wonder possesses any of the information all the information he had was given to journalists and it is really up to them to decide what would be n

board of their nonprofit organization it's a group that was started by the man who leaked the pentagon papers daniel ellsberg i spoke with jesselyn radack the national security and human rights director of the government accountability project just a short time ago and i first asked her what snowden will be doing for the freedom of the press foundation well i think. he'll be weighing in first of all it's a huge huge symbolic moment he is participating in civic society in the united states despite the fact that the u.s. has tried so hard to sideline him and freedom of the press foundation is an amazing organization because they are trying to foster safe and free journalism that protects both journalists and sources so i'm sure he has a lot to add to that discussion so does this mean that he will be remaining involves and participating in future or a whistle blowing accounts and leaks well i mean in terms of the future leaks he no longer possesses any of the information all the information he had was given a journalist and it is really up to them to decide what would be newsworthy and in the pu

the documents became known as the "pentagon papers."he first person prosecuted under the 1917 espionage act for releasing classified information. the case was later thrown out. daniel ellesburg joins me from berkeley, california. thank you very much for being with us, sir. >> thank you for the opportunity. >> you recently said that you believe the nation has been mired in a constitutional crisis since 9/11, but we just didn't know it until edward snowden took action. do you feel any differently now after the president's speech? >> the president confirmed my concern very much for the state of our constitutional system. i would say it was in very bad health. it's sick. the checks and balances are broken, and what we heard from the president was not even band-aids or aspirin for the fourth amendment, which is near death. it was sugar pills, basically placebos. it didn't pretend anything. it didn't, i think, have any effect at all. the president said that this debate will make us stronger. he's certain of that. well, he neglected to say tha

generous to whistleblowers and i'll tell you a quick story i mean you remember i don't when the pentagon papers were published and the government went to the supreme court to try to the government tried to block the supreme court from publishing those papers and the government told the supreme court that if they were published it would cause grave irreparable harm to national security well a few years later the government lawyer who made that argument wrote an op ed in the washington post in which he said you know what i was wrong i've never seen a trace of evidence that their publication harm national security and claims like that needed to be read to be greeted with skepticism i think that history is not so generous to claims of national security they always look overblown in hindsight i think that mr snowden will be seen as a visionary and as someone who really bent history in a better direction. thanks thanks to ben waters of the for joining us today and giving us insight into edward snowden coming up next a debate on the year ahead on new year's resolutions for the president and congress s

the famed whistle blower who in 1971 leaked to reporters the top secret documents dubbed the pentagon papers, outlining the u.s. military's role in vietnam. great to have you on the show today. julian asange said he had to be kicking and screaming dragged, a pr effort to mollify the public. what is your reaction? >> well, i heard the president say that he was certain that this debate would strengthen us. and neglected to say thank you, edward snowden. maybe that was on his television prompter and he choked up when he said it. he did say earlier about mr. snowden who has joined our board of directors, that he deplored the sensational way that this information, which has led to all these proposals for reform, including his, and various legislative proposals, now pending in congress, he hated the way that was made. well, what exactly other way might that have come to his attention or to our attention? there was no other way. he's talked about his whistle blower protection act which didn't go into effect until after snowden had actually made his disclosures. but he neglected to, maybe he didn't

elsburg, an author who in 1969 leaked top secret documents pertaining to the vietnam war and the pentagon papers. daniel elsburg, good to have you. thanks for being here? >> thank you. ? >> it was pretty much what we have been led to expect. it wasn't as disappointing as it was when i first heard it. basically, the president is doing a pr job to restore confidence he is continuing essentially without change. it doesn't deserve that conf confidence. the reassurance we heard from him today is "trust me." well, that's really not good enough. the new yo"new york times" yest said -- explaining how he was continuing programs that he had criticized when he was a senator a former aide to obama says he trusts himself with powers that he didn't trust george w. bush with he was right about bush. he is wrong about himself. as an american who has lived now 82 years, i don't trust obama with those absolute absolute powers or hillary clinton for that matter or romney nor me or you. this ind of power is corrupting. mr. obama has been corrupted and intoxicated by the secrets he has been exposed to for these last

it's analogous to daniel else burg in releasing the pentagon papers. do i think he's a hero? no.olutely not. >> and so, michael -- >> he's a traitor. >> he's not. >> he didn't go, he didn't go out and leave the nsa and retire and then come and form an institute to try to reform the nsa. he went out and he put operations at risk, he put the united states at risk. come on, the guy's a traitor. >> so might it have been different in your view, if he would have stayed state side and revealed this kind of information, michael -- >> absolutely. >> your perception would be different. >> norman, if he would have stayed state side, do you believe the impact would have been as great? what we have right here or is it the fact that he went abroad and looked for comfort abroad, namely going to china and then now to russia. as opposed to just saying here in the united states and revealing what he thought was the right thing to do. >> first of all, your premise for comfort. he's not in comfort now. second, i don't think it would have had the same impact. we know when whistleblowers blow the whis

the board of the freedom of the press foundation which was founded by the man who leaked the pentagon papers. >> he's put his own life on the line. i admire him. and we're very proud actually to have him join us on the board. joining me now from washington is wolf blitzer who is host of cnn's "situation room." thanks for being with us. there was a panel appointed by the president for recommendationings on what to do about this dustup. and they were really grilled by the senate judiciary committee. just wanted to get your take on how that went on what the optics were and whether we'll actually see anything come out of that. >> well, i think we are going to see some proposals. the president's going to put forward a series of steps he's taking following the recommendations of that five-person panel of the committee yesterday. you see some of those representatives there. one of the representatives on that five-member panel. the president will deliver a speech outlining those reforms he's willing to accept. the publicly announced reforms presumably there'll be other things he'll be doing quietly

country when they make these kinds of things rather than sort of doing what happened with the pentagon papers with daniel ellsberg and all that. you wonder if perhaps the pretrial treatment of money has manning has made it more difficult to convince people to stay in the country and trust that the justice system will give them a hearing to decide if they are a whistleblower or a traitor. one view is that a really quite long sentence, given that everyone acknowledges there are no proven harm coming to anyone as a result. i am wondering whether it makes it likely in the future whether the justice system will be able to make these decisions and maybe that was a mistake. >> over here. >> thank you. you have talked a lot about the nsa. getting to your point about the difference between intelligence and whatnot. this morning, i heard only about 10 minutes. i was driving. but richard clarke described the fact that what they are doing with the nsa review panel was, number one, we had been asked to take a look at what intelligence we actually need. do second, we had been asked to look at how transpare

the closest parallel, one that snowden supporters always use is daniel elsburg, who leaked the pentagon papersas then prosecuted but the prosecution was thrown out because of various kinds of government misconduct. i think the precedent that this would set is very troubling. because snowden was so successful and stole so much material that he was not entitled to do, the government is so panicked that they want to tray to get it all back. that creates an incentive to steal more than steal less. notwithstanding this important debate we're having, this is not the way we're supposed to do it and his behavior is not something the government should reward. >> the debate seems to be on the wrong side of the equation, it's on snowden rather than clapper and the nsa. repeatedly the nsa has come forward and caught with their hand in the cookie jar and said, we weren't doing things. yes, we were doing these things. clapper testifies before congress and says nsa is not spying on private citizens, then later revealed he is. no call for contempt of congress citation against him, lying before congress is a f

host: the pentagon papers? guest: yes, like the whistleblower for the pentagon papers. journalists.to what is interesting is the president's comments yesterday -- one of the things the president said is, this debate will make us stronger. we would not be having this debate without edward snowden. if i was his- lawyer that is one of the first things i would tell the jury. how could you be charging this person as a traitor when the president himself said he has made the country stronger? didn't the president take credit for starting this debate before the leaks? guest: there was no debate before the leaks. i have been following this issue very closely. the nsa does what it wants. this is the first time since the wiretapping scandal of the bush administration and before that, the scandals that involved the church committee -- led to the beenh committee, there has almost no pushback on nsa spying. with regards to the comments of -- of spying as much as possible in the u.s., that is the attitude used in the stasi. -- in the stasi period. protect the country because everybody

right after that you have the pentagon papers controversy and the plumbers and things start to get outf hand. that moment in the summer of 1971 is a very sweet moment for the family. because itr event has not been matched to this day . the largest event ever thrown at the white house was the nixon's tribute to the vietnam prisoners of war. can you talk about the significance of that? the library just celebrated the anniversary of it this year. that part of the story of pat nixon in the white house is a story of the pressures on the family because of the country's reaction to the president. -- the president's vietnam policy. the country's reaction had a very strong effect on the nixon family. pat in particular was affected by it. one of the reasons why the president encouraged her to leave on the solo trips was to pick up herb morel. and after the successful conclusion of the negotiations which resulted in agreement in january of 1973 to end the american participate -- or dissipation in the war in southeast asia. they wanted to celebrate this achievement. a positive final note to what h

people who have been true whistle-blowers like daniel ellsberg who released pentagon paper to my oldnew york times." he did not go to china. he didn't go to china. >> he defended snowden. this is completely different environment than it rused to be. >> i'm well aware of that. >> thomas drake another went through normal channels and got, ended up having his house raided by the fbi. this is a farce, the idea there is normal, you're going to go to congress? really they have been really helpful. i think he has done the best he can do. >> wait, a minute. congress is talking about oversight now. that is snowden's contribution. we don't need to end the programs but make them legal and establish better oversight. and snowden, thanks to him, we are having this debate but we can not have this as a precedent, precedence or there will be no no country secrets this country can keep. jon: for the record, the administration is not talking about any clemency or pardon for edward snowden at least at this point, at least not publicly. as we learned there are a lost secrets out there. >> right. jon: ki

the man who leaked the pentagon papers gives his take on the president's speech and thinks why it vindicatesat does a federal judge want on the argument of concussions. >>> a humorous take on our biggest generation. welcome to consider this. here is more on what's

the paper did not mention the pentagon deal.t was published to take the heat off president obama and hillary clinton. see my entire talking points on bill o'reilly.com. joining me from washington lt. colonel ralph pierce and you say -- ralph peters and you say? >> i certainly agree that this was an effort to take the heat off hillary clinton before the prinel marries let alone the election. the "new york times" has lost faith in him. they are now focusing on hillary as a great hope for 2016. but, bill, you know, as you know, i'm an old soviet hand. spent a lot of time in the old soviet union, russia. used to read in prague where they take some facts, twist them, arrange them, leave key things out and leap to their conclusions. and what that time story, that 7,000 word story left out is amazing. they left out hillary clinton as if she wasn't each part of all of this. they didn't addressed great sin as far as military people are concerned that we made no effort whatsoever to rescue those people. conservatives got themselves wrappe

pentagon's assessment in its article. an amazing lapse, and a huge mistake. if the paper wants its readers to believe it is covering hard news in a fair way. simply no excuse for not including the pentagon's point of view. "the times" also says, "the attack seems to not be meticulously plans." nonsense. for hours thugs used grenades and automatic weapons to assault the u.s. missions compound in benghazi. militants were seen on video cameras chasing the mission before the attack and they hid themselves until opening fire. they also attacked a cia compound a half mile away using mortars, and "the new york times" says the attack was not planned. are you kidding me? i guess the word "meticulously" is the paper's but it is pure bull. and the coordinated violence eliminates the videotape as a spontaneous driver of the murders, eliminates that. it's true, the militants knew about the tape from egyptian tv, but this ann sar group used violence before. they didn't need a tape to commit murder. so talking points believes "the times" story is deeply flawed and the editors should hav

investigators say burning scraps of paper from a campfire sparked the blaze. >>> army chopper accident. the pentagon is investigating the third deadly helicopter crash this month. an army chopper made a hard landing in georgia killing one person and injuring two more. >>> there's another leak in the nsa spy scandal this time concerning text messages. according to the british paper, the guardian, the spy agency is able to collect and destroy nearly 200 million global texts every day. it is code named dish fire and comes from documents leaked by whistleblower edward snowden. this comes hours before president obama is set to reveal his plan to reform the nsa. >> i think there is a real question about whether or not we ought to have a government that is collecting, literally billions of pieces of data every single day about the communications in which we engage, and the online activities that we do not just here in the united states but around the world. that is describing surveillance. and all of the real reform means are we going to dismantle this machinery that has been constructed in the dark of 9/1

produce the paper that produces the reports that come this crashing delusion that -- charles said shipping this stuff by rail. took us 1810 days to build the empire state building. build the pentagonve years to come to an obvious conclusion. it's ridiculous. >> next up some interesting 2014 races. what do you think the hot races will be. george, you start. >> my choice would be in michigan. the last time the republicans elected a senator from michigan gotten was 1994. before that, it was 1966 there is a woman running there now, the musical named terry lynn land. who is polling well, raising a lot of money and running as a republican even as her party wages implaque cable scorcher against women. it's remarkable. >> julie? >> i went with the north carolina senate race both because kay hagan and her race is going to be crucial whether democrats take control of the senate but also because north carolina is a state that democrats really felt like they were moving in their direction with barack obama's election in 2008. and the parties will be watching to see what this signals about 2016 in north carolina. >> charles? >> louisiana senate mary landrieu caught on tape saying rather openly

yesterday in one of the papers about the pushback from needemocrats, we will bipartisan -- >> you can watch all of this event later on our program schedule. we will take live to the pentagon now for the briefing with john kirby. >> the appropriations bill provides our department for necessary funding with critical investments and an increase in pay and investments. civilians continue training. militaryhat supports operations in afghanistan. congress has debated the defense budget and secretary hagel has worked to provide artifacts and analysis about sequestration pauses impact on the department and the ability to carry out the mission around the world, and preserving our readiness has been the number one priority. additional funds will certainly help us ensure that our troops can do what they joined the force to do. it does not solve every problem but gives us a measure of stability. visited brooke army medical center in texas to visit with our wounded warriors. he met a medically retired army sergeant wounded in iraq. he continues to receive rehabilitation care there. the sergeant is one of the young people.y retired the secretary is pleased it includes a fix that will e